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Reciprocity wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Not openly. It would be political suicide. Too many people still believe in the myth of Reaganomics for them to have any chance of bringing back those tax rates. But, they would if they could. Trust me.

well, when it becomes an obama talking point, you just let me know.

Yeah, because he's open with his agenda

Reciprocity wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Yeah, because he's open with his agenda

Now you sound like ATG.

Believe what you want. Believe that they've been completely honest with the American people. If there wasn't a mid-term election coming up and they weren't terrified of losing, believe me, Pelosi would be running buck wild trying to reshape the whole of America in California's image.

When it comes to politicians, always expect the worst. There isn't an honest man or woman among the scum that inhabit Washington.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

And when it comes to plumbers, always expect the worst.

Yes. Ass crack all out and about. What kind of crap is that?

Reciprocity wrote:

I don't believe any of them.  But I also don't doubt that both parties are restrained by political realities.  both sides are always terrified of losing.  That's what keeps us from becoming either a socialist state or a completely unrestrained free market christian theocracy.

Really need to separate the belief that having a free market is somehow associated with a christian theocracy. The two ideas couldn't be more at odds. It's why the Republican Party doesn't make any sense.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Really need to separate the belief that having a free market is somehow associated with a christian theocracy.

me? I don't.  It's them.

JohnG@lt wrote:

You know, the biggest mistake Marx ever made was attacking religion. Socialism lines up pretty brilliantly with the core Christian values

Christianity and communism don't fit together at all really. To get them to work together would mean one or the other would have to give up a lot of their beliefs and basis.

Macbeth wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

You know, the biggest mistake Marx ever made was attacking religion. Socialism lines up pretty brilliantly with the core Christian values

Christianity and communism don't fit together at all really. To get them to work together would mean one or the other would have to give up a lot of their beliefs and basis.

The core of each is personal sacrifice. Love thy neighbor also plays in heavily with both. Sacrificing your worldly ambitions for a better place in the afterlife would've been the perfect vehicle for Marxism.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

We aren't committing atrocities and using sheer brutality on the Afghans.

But you are invading and dominating, and there have been multiple atrocities.

Relatively speaking, it could be much worse.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2010-08-01 21:41:21)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

This is JohnG@lt missing the point that because both sides are terrified of losing, we will have neither the socialist state the Democrats want or the completely unrestrained free market christian theocracy the Republicans want.

Lol, are you really this mad that my argument didn't line up exactly with what you read in the criticism section of his wikipedia page so you don't know how to counter? Get over yourself. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are. You've got the wisdom and life experience of a fruit fly.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

You know, the biggest mistake Marx ever made was attacking religion. Socialism lines up pretty brilliantly with the core Christian values

Christianity and communism don't fit together at all really. To get them to work together would mean one or the other would have to give up a lot of their beliefs and basis.

The core of each is personal sacrifice. Love thy neighbor also plays in heavily with both. Sacrificing your worldly ambitions for a better place in the afterlife would've been the perfect vehicle for Marxism.

Despite the fact I have work in the morning, I'll write you a very short list of reasons why Christianity wouldn't work with communism.

Sacrificing your worldly ambitions for a better place in the afterlife would've been the perfect vehicle for Marxism.

Christianity and a belief in the afterlife does more to make people care less about this life. The idea that 'I'll get a better deal in the next life' makes people care less about this life and do only what they have to in order to make it into the next life with a good deal. Marxism would require people to care about improving their life in this world because 'this is the only one I'll get'.

Love thy neighbor also plays in heavily with both.

Unless your neighbor is a homosexual, a nonbeliever, a adulterer, etc. Christianity does more to set people apart for arbitrary reasons then bring them together. Furthermore, the idea of a 'chosen people' would not fit with the Marxist goal of 'economic equality'. Following Christian logic, if a person or group of people were Gods favorite then power and money they have over others is okay since 'God wills it'. This logic was the same as as the logic the Euro Kings used who claimed Divine Rights since 'if it's happening God must be cool with it.'

I could keep going but I have to get some medically induced sleep. So if you want me to post more tomorrow, it's up to you.

religion is a very pliable utility of control.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

To boil Macbeth's post down, you can't sacrifice yourself twice. You can only sacrifice yourself to the state if there is no God in need of your full attention.

you can always sacrifice yourself to the state in the name of god.