Dilbert_X
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OK, some sort of asylum then.
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Dilbert_X
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OK, so they've built a mobile asylum, once they're in they should drive it into the country.

What next, a mobile child pornography cinema so paedophiles won't bother actual children?

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SuperJail Warden
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The Germans and Soviets had some interesting motorized healthcare ideas.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, so they've built a mobile asylum, once they're in they should drive it into the country.

What next, a mobile child pornography cinema so paedophiles won't bother actual children?
you seem to really struggle to understand the concept that a drug addict injecting themselves with a needle isn't, in fact, raping someone else or, er, molesting children. why are you so moralistic and judgmental about drug addicts? they are not rapists, dilbert.

their addiction means they must inject themselves regularly. that's the simple reality of it. giving them a safe space in which to do it, with proper-maintained facilities and trained personnel nearby, reduces the harm they do to themselves (and by extension their family, their communities, etc, whatever reasoning you want to apply). it REDUCES the harm involved at every point in the chain.

without these facilities, they're going to inject anyway. you can't tut-tut at them or threaten them with prison or tell them they should be sent to an asylum because their lives are clearly out of control. it doesn't work that way. they have a daily, if not hourly, need to inject themselves. so what's the best way to deal with it, chap, scaremonger about rapists, murderers, and paedophiles, or give them a fucking safe space to do it in?

anyone who is homeless and at rock bottom, needing to use one of these facilities, probably doesn't have any immediate family or relations. if they do, they've clearly given up on them a long time ago. so what's better: make sure they don't OD and die in the streets, or arbitrarily punish them and send a PCO to their next-of-kin's doorstep with the grave news?

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Dilbert_X
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Or put them in a clinic and treat them until they're off injecting drugs
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

. so what's the best way to deal with it, chap, scaremonger about rapists, murderers, and paedophiles, or give them a fucking safe space to do it in?
This is exactly what I'm saying, Bristol needs a rape bus.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Or put them in a clinic and treat them until they're off injecting drugs
yes, it would be great to put every addict in a clinic.

unfortunately clinics are extremely, extremely expensive. and drug addicts tend to be quite poor.

specialist care comes at a high price. the system can't even afford twice-a-month counselling and basic cognitive behavioural therapy to depressed people (hence the widespread prevalence of that other 'compromise', anti-depressant drugs). drug rehabilitation clinics are full-time residential affairs.

obviously having 'safe sites' to inject in a city centre already represents a pretty massive compromise. people are working with limited budgets and small legal wriggling room, here. aren't you an engineer who deals with real-world solutions with budgetary constraints, etc, all the time? these vans and similar schemes have measurably good results, they operate in a paradigm of 'managing addict's lives' rather than 'discipline and punish', which has been shown to be more effective – better at saving lives – in countries all over europe. it's really as simple as that.

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It wasn't slavery, it was states exercising states' rights!

‘This has been happening for a long time’: Modern-day slavery uncovered in South Georgia
https://nordot.app/839654009153142784

ATLANTA — A yearslong human trafficking operation trapped migrant workers in “modern-day slavery” on South Georgia farms, according to a federal indictment unsealed last week.

Victims include over one hundred laborers smuggled from Mexico and Central America into “brutal” and “inhumane” working conditions. Under the threat of gun violence, some were allegedly forced to dig for onions with their bare hands, earning only 20 cents for each bucket harvested. At least two people died on the job. Another was allegedly repeatedly raped.

When not out in the fields, workers were detained in work camps surrounded by electric fencing, or held in cramped living quarters, including dirty trailers with raw sewage leaks. There was little to no access to food or safe drinking water.

Twenty-four accused members and associates of the criminal enterprise that perpetuated the exploitation now face a slew of felony charges, according to a press release from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Georgia. The multi-agency cooperation that yielded the indictment – dubbed “Operation Blooming Onion” – may be one of the largest-ever human trafficking and visa fraud investigations in the country, VICE News reported.

[…]
Dilbert_X
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There seems to be a system where legitimate companies can hire illegals, not pay them min wage etc, and the authorities turn a blind eye.
If they get uppity the police or immigration are onto the individual pretty quick and the company pays no penalty.
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that system is called capitalism. it's why it always creates a sour note when you punch down on migrant workers. they are already being exploited quite enough and are only trying to do their own modest bit to make the best of a vast wage differential and inequality.

happens in the USA, happens in the UK, happens in south korea ... am sure it happens in australia too.

you should read 'a seventh man' by john berger and john mohr.
SuperJail Warden
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Listening to CNN on the radio. The Elizabeth Holmes trial was being talked about. There are fans of her showing up to watch the trial. I heard a black male voice saying "god bless you girl boss". What sounded like an old white lady said "She just answers every question perfectly. She is so knowledeable and calm".

WTF is wrong with people?
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pirana6
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Sounds like Trumpers except just with someone new? Do these people just need some figure to latch onto because their lives are empty?
Dilbert_X
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pirana6 wrote:

people just need some figure to latch onto because their lives are empty
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Dilbert_X
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I think I posted somewhere about Americans being in a general state of stress due to healthcare issues.

Relevant:

https://i.imgur.com/aOls9k4.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/0WcEweO.png

I'm actually surprised more people don't go postal staring down the barrel of this kind of thing.
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unnamednewbie13
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This is honestly just one facet of the many years of corporate abuse leveled against many generations of American citizens. A lot of us feel stuck with an unbudging political status quo. One of the reasons I suppose Trump made it in. Who knows who else, maybe worse, we're headed for.

I suppose a reasonable move when feeling lost would be to look up jobs a better (if not perfect) country is needing people for, learn the language (if needed), and emigrate. Yeah, yeah, with what money. Some people are trapped in their own states.
unnamednewbie13
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Also, imgur is one hot, virtually unreadable mess these days. The occasional personal story is cool, but it's just a deluge of utter negativity in between the occasional cute cat photo. At least you can filter tags, when posts are tagged. Just give me videos of huskies complaining, website, even if those too are reposts.
Dilbert_X
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I just go there for the cat photos.
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SuperJail Warden
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Kid I was complaining about got in trouble yesterday with the school. Another student said student A was in the bathroom banging his head against the wall. When student B asked him WTF he is doing student A yanked him around by the collar. Student A is still in school today.

Drama with a different kid: Another kid that is really cool with me even though I am going to fail him told me he got suspended for a few days for threatening to fist fight a security guard.

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This one class makes me miserable. This one kid is infuriating. I just don't care about this period anymore. I am so close to just telling them to work on the stuff I put online while I do something else on MacbethBook
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unnamednewbie13
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American health care anecdote (via imgur):

Basically it took too long to be diagnosed because everyone blamed it on weight and hygiene. Then after my first kid [30] I got diagnosed but I was already stage two and had the worst insurance on the planet. [I think they covered like $20 of something one year? I don't even remember or I'd name and shame.] I went from stage 2 to stage 3 so fast and it was a whole miserable trip. I've had insurance off and on those few years, but none that would cover the specialists I needed that we could afford. I ended up paying out of pocket anyway. By the time I ended up with a competent doctor it was too far gone. Nothing diet, nothing lifestyle, NOTHING, helped. Everytime I tried a biologic it would work for a while then wear off. I was on a super high dose of an organ rejection drug and even chemo to try and bring it under control enough to GET a surgical consult and now there is nothing... I am stuck weeping and oozing and getting infected no matter HOW clean I keep, barely walking from the pain/inflammation, having trouble going to the restroom, and never having sex again.

[…]

My husband is mad and doesn't know where to put his anger so he wants to somehow sue the US healthcare system or Social Security for turning me down a bunch of times despite the fact that HS is bluebooked. [Any illness that is in SSI's bluebook is like an auto-in usually]
This sounds really typical. Off and on insurance, can't pay for health care / can't get into a specialist, string of poor doctors, and then it's too late to do anything.

HS: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con … c-20352306
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Found myself on the FB page of a guy I went to high school with who burned out in school and become some weirdo uber-positivity entrepreneur guru who opened some sorta new-age floatation spa thing. Clicked on a friend of his and thought it was a bot at first because all the posts are shit like this that just makes my eyes roll so hard they're gonna fall out of my head. I do not understand how these people exist in this world, but it seems insufferable. Weirdly he had some posts about how "you can't take it with you" but literally everything is focused on wealth.

https://i.imgur.com/mdEzep2.png
Dilbert_X
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Thing is, the world outside corporate is heaving with all kinds of 'freelance consultants'.

If you're doing a multi-billion dollar deal who are you going to hire:

A multi-billion dollar corporation which employs a team of experts and you can sue for millions or billions if they fuck it up

Some guy who has a desk in his garage who used to work for a corporation and has a used car as collateral but great 'contacts'

Most of these jobs are parasitic in the first place, they're outsourced so people have someone to blame and sue if it goes wrong, not because anyone really needs the kind of 'due diligence' these idiots do.

My last company was bought out by a super-whizz private equity firm who hired expensive accountants and lawyers to do 'due diligence'.

The spent about two months in a conference room clacking away on laptops and laughing at each others jokes, but failed to notice most of the product lineup was obsolete 20 years ago and much of the engineering on the rest which was life-critical products had been done by a madman without a single page of documentation behind it (not me, I was in a different business unit) and there was exactly zero meaningful QC on the suppliers or incoming goods for those same products.
There was an engineer working to fix up that trainwreck, but he got fired to make the numbers look better.
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Dilbert_X
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I chanced on the linkedin page of a former 'colleague' who went down that kind of path, literally every word of his CV is a lie, and thats not forgetting the great big holes.

"Top sales person in X Corporation, due to sales to customers like A, B, C."

Ah, not exactly, every one of those customers was in place before you arrived, and you fucked up the business with the most long standing and lucrative customer so they went elsewhere, costing tens of millions of lost revenue, and you fucked up one of the others too.
The only reason you didn't fuck up the third was you were told to stay well the fuck away from it.

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spoken like someone who could have become an industry consultant 10 years ago but evidently decided it was more noble to be underemployed in a deteriorating role, and complaining about it every single week on a gaming forum.

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