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Dilbert_X
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Interesting, 35 years on.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/03/worl … -kong.html

I vaguely remember a suggestion that Britain could have kept Hong Kong if Howe hadn't been inept at negotiating.

Now its getting nasty in Australasia
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics … queensland
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australa … -hong-kong

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uziq
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we had very little to negotiate with considering china was on the ascendant. it’s amusing that they’re blaming us now and accusing us of not fulfilling our responsibilities. you either want patrician benevolence or you don’t.
uziq
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epstein’s black book of personal contacts have been leaked. a lottttt of famous people in there. actors and big public figures.

https://imgur.com/a/YjSwb1r
Dilbert_X
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Only two pages or am I missing something?
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A woman accused the dead pedophile of pimping the girls to wealthy men against their will.
Dilbert_X
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Apparently the Duke of York is accused of raping a 17 year old, not a 14 year old, my bad.
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uziq
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it’s notoriously hard to prove consent in rape cases. something like 5% of criminal proceedings ever end up in a conviction. the girls were trafficked and part of a prostitution ring, certainly; but, in the cases of those of legal age, they were all taking payment and all working. obviously that’s unforgivable in the case of minors and young girls who have no way to give informed consent, and obviously it’s deeply creepy and weird. but to say someone who pays a 17 year old for sex is ‘raping’ her is not quite the same thing.

epstein was running a pedo ring and everyone involved is shady as fuck. the story should ruin a lot of big public figures’ lives. but someone of legal age being paid for sex is not a cut and dry rape case.

i hope everyone who was trafficked against their will, abused, passed around for sex, etc gets justice and a big slice of his estate money at the very least. i hope the underage girls who got messed with get a vip ticket to take a shit on that guy in hell. but lots of escorts hang around with rich people and celebrities, too.

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Dilbert_X
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I imagine the Duke of York didn't hand over wads of fifties, and the girl says she was coerced.

Its not as if she was tied up but what would someone be thinking when a shady associate flies in a 17 year old for them?

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uziq
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well i don’t have any good reason to argue against your view of the duke of york, i certainly have no interest in defending that whole creepy underworld. but good luck proving legal coercion and getting a rape verdict.

obviously they were soliciting sex and prostitution. but that isn’t necessarily the same as intending to rape a child. does this have to be explained to you?

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Dilbert_X
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Probably not, I'm hoping at least Ghislaine Maxwell gets done for pimping minors.
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SuperJail Warden
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How good of a Duke was the Duke of York? What function does he perform for the British people? I am genuinely asking. A lot of people have been relishing the fact that some high profile people's live's can get blown up probably for more entertainment than genuine concern for the well being of high school girls. We all assume rich people are living in an Eyes Wide Shut reality and if the person is performing public good does this small evil even matter?

Obama has been the best president of at least the past 20 years. If he liked 15 year white girls every so often why would that matter for me? Would that undo the good that he has done for the country? I say it wouldn't.
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What the hell man
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All I am saying is that the Epstein saga is more a giant media event and entertainment than it is people actually caring about sex trafficking.
Dilbert_X
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Compared with the huge numbers of girls trafficked in the US its trivial, its that it involves high profile people.
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