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Yahoo! wrote:

Snowden leaves Hong Kong, may head for Venezuela
http://news.yahoo.com/former-nsa-contra … 43121.html

[...] The anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said Snowden was heading for a "democratic nation" which it did not name [...]

"The WikiLeaks legal team and I are interested in preserving Mr Snowden's rights and protecting him as a person," [...]

AussieReaper wrote:

You think Snowden has any hope of a fair trial?

Of evening seeing a trial?

Look at Pvt. Manning. That is cruel and unusual punishment and I doubt Snowden would ever see the light of day if returned to the US.

13/f/taiwan wrote:

uhm, i'm pretty sure they make you sign a contract when you apply for this type of work stating "don't give away our secrets or we will throw you in a hole, forever." it doesn't make sense for people to hate on manning yet praise snowden as a heroine for doing the exact same thing.

trai·tor 
/ˈtrātər/
Noun
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

he was entrusted with state secrets under the condition that he not share them with anyone else.

i'm not disagreeing with what snowden did but i've been getting sick of hearing the same people who ripped into bradley manning put snowden on a pedestal when they're just two sides of the same coin.

Cybargs wrote:

Snoweden sacrificed way more than what Manning had.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

are you guys serious? so because he loses a nice house he's suffering far worse than the dude who has been locked up in jail getting terrorised? cannot believe the stupidity I am reading. you guys are basically placing material niceties above freedom. are you that fucking dense?

and lets not get into the traitor thing again. outside of military settings that are life/death, treason is an outmoded concept. like a civilian in a globalised world should put up with state tyranny because of 'allegiance'. please.

Last edited by Shahter (2013-06-25 02:18:08)

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

the law is fundamental but you should look up 'legitimation crisis'. it's a term invented by good little Marxists

David Cameron has been warned against sending arms to Syrian rebels amid fears they would end up in the hands of Islamist terrorists who target the West.

Up to 3,000 surface-to-air missiles have gone missing in Libya since the conflict -  and spy chiefs say the state has become the 'Tesco' of the world's illegal arms trade.

More than one million tonnes of weapons belonging to Colonel Gaddafi were looted from arms dumps after the dictator was toppled in October 2011.

MI6 agents fear large numbers of weapons - which included 22,000 shoulder-launched missiles capable of bringing down an aircraft - have been smuggled out of Libya to groups linked to Al Qaeda.

Security sources are said to fear that, if the rebels fighting tyrant Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria are armed by the West, a similar situation could arise there - with the weapons falling into the hands of Islamic extremists in the country.

It is understood MI6 estimates there are now more weapons in Libya than the entire arsenal of the British Army — and much of it is unsecured.

The Libyan government remains in a precarious position, with large parts of the army dominated by local militias.

There were thought to be 22,000 shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, known as manpads, at the time of Gaddafi's death in October 2011. And although the majority are believed to have been destroyed MI6 estimates about 3,000 are still unaccounted for.

Just one such missile could bring down a civilian airliner if it fell into the wrong hands. As well as the security services, several military figures have deep reservations about any plans to arm the rebels in Syria.

The West should have tried talking to the Taliban a decade ago after they had just been toppled from power, the UK's top general in Afghanistan has said.

Gen Nick Carter said it would have been much easier to find a political solution when they were on the run.

His comments in the Guardian come days after attempts to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table stalled.

Gen Carter also warned Afghan forces would need military and financial support after troops leave in 2014.

The Kabul government would have only shaky control over some areas, he said.

Negotiation attempts

A major conference on the future of Afghanistan held in Bonn, Germany, over a decade ago did not include the defeated Taliban former government of Afghanistan.

Gen Carter, deputy commander of the Nato-led coalition, acknowledged it was easy to be wise with the benefit of hindsight but added: "Back in 2002, the Taliban were on the run.

"I think that at that stage, if we had been very prescient, we might have spotted that a final political solution to what started in 2001, from our perspective, would have involved getting all Afghans to sit at the table and talk about their future.

"The problems that we have been encountering over the period since then are essentially political problems, and political problems are only ever solved by people talking to each other."