Uzique The Lesser
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yes, but savile seemed actually perverted. the whole thing with the mental hospice, his creepy mother-fixation. there's a difference between being a sexual predator and sleeping with a groupie who comes onto you. whole different sorts of (literally legal) intent.  and by 'underage jailbait' i mean the 14-16 year olds, not 8 year olds. come on, an 18-25 year old rockstar/celebrity, with the fame and power going to their head, sleeping with a 'mature' or dolled-up 15 year old groupie isn't exactly the perversion of the century. even if it is statutory rape.

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Uzique The Lesser
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Cybargs wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

coke wrote:


TBF he did admit having sex with a 13 year old and married a 15 year old.
yeah but the criminal case fell apart is what i'm saying. people really have trouble understanding the culture of the 1970's. there's a big difference between the 'sheltered kiddie fiddler' savile type and a sort of 'rock-star cause celebre' like john peel. how many rockstars and famous musicians do you think slept with underage jailbait back then? fucking loads, man.
elvis was a huge pervert and was banging a 14 year old then married her. everybody seems to be a-ok with that.
the list of famous authors, artists, philosophers etc. who all had young underage muses is huge. from petrarch and dante and to edgar allen poe. tending to demonize people that way is a pretty modern phenomenon (not to say it's necessarily a wrong one). the ancient greeks were all into young boys. hell, the institution of the british public school, where most of britain's public elite come from, has a ripe history of 'fagging' and homo eroticism. this sort of thing really isn't that rare.
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R. Kelly comes to mind.
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

yes, but savile seemed actually perverted. the whole thing with the mental hospice, his creepy mother-fixation. there's a difference between being a sexual predator and sleeping with a groupie who comes onto you. whole different sorts of (literally legal) intent.  and by 'underage jailbait' i mean the 14-16 year olds, not 8 year olds. come on, an 18-25 year old rockstar/celebrity, with the fame and power going to their head, sleeping with a 'mature' or dolled-up 15 year old groupie isn't exactly the perversion of the century. even if it is statutory rape.
Peel admitted to girls he knew were 13 at the time.
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Uzique The Lesser
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

yes, but savile seemed actually perverted. the whole thing with the mental hospice, his creepy mother-fixation. there's a difference between being a sexual predator and sleeping with a groupie who comes onto you. whole different sorts of (literally legal) intent.  and by 'underage jailbait' i mean the 14-16 year olds, not 8 year olds. come on, an 18-25 year old rockstar/celebrity, with the fame and power going to their head, sleeping with a 'mature' or dolled-up 15 year old groupie isn't exactly the perversion of the century. even if it is statutory rape.
Peel admitted to girls he knew were 13 at the time.
again, society has only marked this behaviour off as 'deviant' and 'beyond the pale' since a spate of pedo-killings and tabloid sensationalism in the late 90's/early 00's. does that necessarily make it 'right'? well, no... if a society is sexualizing and turning teenagers into feisty groupies, that society obviously has some questionable ideologies and cultural values at work. but can you demonize the single individuals who hooked up with a groupie? i don't really think john peel was a child molester. a young man who slept with a few buxom teenagers, maybe. if he had perverted tendencies, he would have continued doing it beyond the 70's, and well into his maturity - as savile did. people who harbour perverted predilections for young girls and 'children' don't generally tend to grow out of it. it's a psychological problem.

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What a depressing dramatization of the decline of western civilization.
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Ugh. "Us girls are going dancing tonight"? What a trainwreck of a sentence.
Uzique The Lesser
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ugZnfLNUA

What a depressing dramatization of the decline of western civilization.
that's savage. everything that is wrong with fucking dumb vacuous people. omg mobile phone out in a museum. museums r so boring!

the same culture that promotes people recording gigs/clubnights on their fucking phones. it's just not real if it's not mediated!!!
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lol im at a muzim lissening a boaring nerd talk about stuff and things so leik u wanna hang out on facebook?

e: the haircut lady in the middle of the ad looked more like a spokeswoman for microsoft sql than a self-portrait with a cell phone
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

again, society has only marked this behaviour off as 'deviant' and 'beyond the pale' since a spate of pedo-killings and tabloid sensationalism in the late 90's/early 00's. does that necessarily make it 'right'? well, no... if a society is sexualizing and turning teenagers into feisty groupies, that society obviously has some questionable ideologies and cultural values at work. but can you demonize the single individuals who hooked up with a groupie? i don't really think john peel was a child molester. a young man who slept with a few buxom teenagers, maybe. if he had perverted tendencies, he would have continued doing it beyond the 70's, and well into his maturity - as savile did. people who harbour perverted predilections for young girls and 'children' don't generally tend to grow out of it. it's a psychological problem.
Nope, its never been acceptable, its more that the 70s were a more naive time when 'dirty old men' were a comedy staple, Benny Hill could make a career out of being a lecher, Rod Hull could grope women on stage for laughs etc.
It really didn't occur to people that Priests would be raping choir-boys, scoutmasters diddling their charges or DJs and TV presenters would be raping their teenage fans.
It was completely inconceivable at the time.

As for Peel there's a difference between making a single mistake with a 15 year old and asking 13 year olds to dress as school-girls and line up.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/05/article-0-15595207000005DC-645_306x776.jpg
Nope, nothing weird about this guy.

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Uzique The Lesser
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lol at taking a photo like that out of context and presenting it as evidence of the guy's 'perversion'. he was an eccentric radio DJ. he was well-known for championing underground/esoteric/'strange' music. wow, he took part in a silly 'controversial' photo-shoot one time. he must be a pervert!

and it really is a matter of cultural relativity. it was more permissive back then. society was sexualized at a young age. not just pervs in the churches - how about the entire boarding school institution, which many british public figures and celebrities, naturally, were sourced from. pederasty is widespread. i still don't think john peel was a 'criminal'. not sure what you have against the guy, really. is it because he presented a cool rock-show that all the pretentious people from your university days listened to?
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The point is it was never 'accepted', it wasn't really known about. Now that it is known people are being prosecuted.

Peel - He's fairly obviously a paedophile. 'Eccentricity' can be a cover for many things, just look at Savile.
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Nyte
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Regarding pedophilia, what or who established the age of consent in various countries?  Religious groups?  Science committees?  Who decides when a child is not a "child" anymore?

Is it based on the first menstruation period a female experiences?  Is it based on when male sperm has the capability to fertilize an egg?  How is all this determined?
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Winston_Churchill
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I know ours in Canada jumped from 14 to 16 only a few years ago.  I think its mostly based off of when the government, social groups, etc feel people are able to make an informed decision on sex.
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How do they determine that?  A survey?  My gripe with the age of consent is that it seems to be some random number that just "sounds right" rather than questioning "why?".

Everyone develops at different paces.  You can have a 16 year old female that can make informed decisions but you can also have a 28 year old dumb female get fucking smashed and get gangbanged by 3 black guys.
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Uzique The Lesser
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The point is it was never 'accepted', it wasn't really known about. Now that it is known people are being prosecuted.

Peel - He's fairly obviously a paedophile. 'Eccentricity' can be a cover for many things, just look at Savile.
how is peel "fairly obviously a paedophile"?
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Age of consent in FLDS America is determined by how much money the church slips to local officials. They can even get return delivery on runaways.
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The point is it was never 'accepted', it wasn't really known about. Now that it is known people are being prosecuted.

Peel - He's fairly obviously a paedophile. 'Eccentricity' can be a cover for many things, just look at Savile.
how is peel "fairly obviously a paedophile"?
He had a schoolgirl fetish, which he indulged in.
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Cybargs
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Nyte wrote:

Everyone develops at different paces.  You can have a 16 year old female that can make informed decisions but you can also have a 28 year old dumb female get fucking smashed and get gangbanged by 3 black guys.
oh the humanity that a 28 year old decides she wants a gangbang.
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Cybargs wrote:

Nyte wrote:

Everyone develops at different paces.  You can have a 16 year old female that can make informed decisions but you can also have a 28 year old dumb female get fucking smashed and get gangbanged by 3 black guys.
oh the humanity that a 28 year old decides she wants a gangbang.
Exactly, I don't understand how these ages of consent are arrived at.

I would rather proposition a mature and intelligent 16 year old rather than an alcoholic 28 year old crack whore.  These rules are stupid.
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Nyte
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FYI, I don't condone pedophilia.  But I AM against ages of consent that have no basis other than "we think it's not appropriate at that age".

I might even consider some sort of standardized test that males/females write to demonstrate to regulatory bodies that they are mature enough to make informed decisions about copulation.  They can write these tests any time they want.  If they pass, then whoever fucks them won't get jailed for pedophilia.
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Nyte wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Nyte wrote:

Everyone develops at different paces.  You can have a 16 year old female that can make informed decisions but you can also have a 28 year old dumb female get fucking smashed and get gangbanged by 3 black guys.
oh the humanity that a 28 year old decides she wants a gangbang.
Exactly, I don't understand how these ages of consent are arrived at.

I would rather proposition a mature and intelligent 16 year old rather than an alcoholic 28 year old crack whore.  These rules are stupid.
then go ahead and bang a 16 year old. her parents might not take you to court but i'll be sure you're the most popular guy in town.
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Nyte wrote:

I might even consider some sort of standardized test that males/females write to demonstrate to regulatory bodies that they are mature enough to make informed decisions about copulation.  They can write these tests any time they want.  If they pass, then whoever fucks them won't get jailed for pedophilia.
Yes, I can see parents lining up their kids to sit that test - well, maybe just the Mormons.
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My younger sister's friends all know me (my sister is 17). I had a reputation around these parts for being a bit of a wild child when I was younger. Whenever I see this one girl she flirts me with me hardcore and I want to hit it. But the only time I ever see her is when I see my younger sister so I can't really respond to it or make a move on her. She is very attractive yet I am sure I would lose face if it becomes known I hooked up with a 17 year old.
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Take it to the asian thread.

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