Last edited by Spark (2012-08-24 05:39:16)
i'm wondering if there were contributing factors now, and this makes me sad.Spark wrote:
i mean, ffs, the guy beat ball cancer to get some of these titles,
i don't think a lack of money is exactly an impediment to lance armstrong.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't know, faced with a bureaucracy with more funds than you its easy to give up.
Then again there are a lot of people close to him who've sworn he was a cheat.
Last edited by Spark (2012-08-24 06:22:35)
which is why if he's innocent he should fight it...?-Whiteroom- wrote:
Did, you stop to think it doesnt really matter if hes found innocent or guilty. As soon as the accusations are made, it forms cracks of doubt for the rest of his life. It takes away some of the shine that made him a hero to so many. The only way this comes out good for him is if it were some grand conspiracy that gets outted. (Not saying it is by the way.)
which is exactly why the 'he doesn't gaf' argument doesn't wash with me.the guy has ball cancer, steroids or not he still did a pretty damn good job.
Because they will never stop going after him. He's become the obsession of the anti-doping crowd and, frankly, the French would like nothing more than to destroy the American that dominated their race for so long.Spark wrote:
and lose his 7 tdf titles (though it's up in the air if he actually will)?
yes, what a worthy price to pay for a fuck-you.
ehh, what makes you say that? It's not like the french have been up there fighting for it for ages.. Nothing since Hinault/Fignon..Jay wrote:
the French would like nothing more than to destroy the American that dominated their race for so long.
its the USADA going after Lance this time. The French have tried.Jay wrote:
Because they will never stop going after him. He's become the obsession of the anti-doping crowd and, frankly, the French would like nothing more than to destroy the American that dominated their race for so long.Spark wrote:
and lose his 7 tdf titles (though it's up in the air if he actually will)?
yes, what a worthy price to pay for a fuck-you.
Right, but what purpose is served by chasing after the guy for like ten years? It's as stupid as hauling Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in front of Congress. Are they going to take those yellow jerseys and hand them off to the guys that finished second? Are they going to conduct a witch hunt on them to strip them in turn? The whole thing is stupid. If anti-doping measures are better now, good, now you can say the sport is cleaner. Move on.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
its the USADA going after Lance this time. The French have tried.Jay wrote:
Because they will never stop going after him. He's become the obsession of the anti-doping crowd and, frankly, the French would like nothing more than to destroy the American that dominated their race for so long.Spark wrote:
and lose his 7 tdf titles (though it's up in the air if he actually will)?
yes, what a worthy price to pay for a fuck-you.
I think there is some truth in the confessions of doping by many teammates on the US Postal Team. Perhaps Lance is tired of the battles. Cyclists are some of the biggest cheaters out there. It's hardly an isolated incident, and it's not just Americans that are disqualified and stripped of their titles. Look at the history of the Tour de France, it's rife with cheating.
If everybody is cheating, doesn't that make it a level playing field.13urnzz wrote:
Tour de France - "If You Ain't Cheating, You Ain't Trying."
yes. then results are how well you cheat, as opposed to the sport itself. unless we're talking baseball, when even drugs couldn't make the sport interesting . . .-Whiteroom- wrote:
If everybody is cheating, doesn't that make it a level playing field.13urnzz wrote:
Tour de France - "If You Ain't Cheating, You Ain't Trying."
Its the US agency going after him.....Jay wrote:
the French would like nothing more than to destroy the American that dominated their race for so long.
That Samsung has to pay Apple a billion dollars...and not change a damn thing they've been doing, as far as I can tell.Macbeth wrote:
Someone mind explaining to me what the Apple victory means?
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1. Guilty or not of doping. Lance Armstrong is not a convicted doper, he has never been found guilty of doping, and he has steadfastly maintained his innocence. As far as I am aware, Marion Jones is not a convicted doper, she has never been found guilty of doping, and she steadfastly maintained her innocence - until she admitted lying to a federal investigator about taking banned substances (note: lying to a federal investigator is NOT a doping offence). Whether or not their respective sports can benefit from increases in mechanical efficiency, neither athlete has ever had a positive doping sanction imposed. To put it simply - not testing positive does not establish that an athlete did not use banned substances.
Ah, so the buck will get passed to the consumers once again.FEOS wrote:
That Samsung has to pay Apple a billion dollars...and not change a damn thing they've been doing, as far as I can tell.Macbeth wrote:
Someone mind explaining to me what the Apple victory means?
