Shahter
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FEOS wrote:

Shahter wrote:

There are more former Soviet vassals than Georgia, Shahter. All but about two are trying like hell to embrace the West...
no, it's the west-supported governments who do. the people in those places feel quite different. a lot of them, like myself, have actually seen what it was like before and after ussr' collapse. they are right here, come over, i'll introduce you, and you'll see for yourself how eager they are to "embrace the west". or you can keep chewing on the line o'crap you are being fed by your media.
Again with the media conspiracy theories. From the guy who lives in a place where all media is controlled by the government. Rich.

I get my foreign affairs inputs from articles written by those who live in the countries involved, thank you. You know, like those who you are referencing. I guess they must be controlled by the massive, world-wide anti-Russia media conspiracy...unlike the pristine media environment in Russia, eh?
/sigh
remind me, where did i say anything about russian media? media is media - they do what they are paid to do. who do you think pays for those articles from which you get your "inputs"? unlike you, i'm not taking any of my info from media - i'm actually communicating with those people on daily basis, people, who, according to your "inputs", are eager to embrace the west, and i'm telling you - no, they are not. when was the last time you actually talked to uzbek or georgian? never? i thought so.

Shahter wrote:

and it's pissing Putin off to no end. God forbid he see that as an opportunity to improve Russia's relations with the rest of the world, rather than making things worse. There's more than one way to rise back up, you know...
usa & co made it perfectly clear that nobody is going to be allowed to simply "rise up" peacefully. you did allow china to do that, got scared shitless by what they accomplished and went bombing anyone who tried to run themselves the way they wanted with "democracy and freedom". there's no improving anything. in the modern world everybody is for themselves.
"Nobody is going to be allowed to simply 'rise up' peacefully"? Really?
there, i highlighted the important part for you. cool your heels and come back to me when you have an argument.

Shahter wrote:

As if calling the West "the free and the brave" repeatedly is going to hurt someone's feelings? Try a new trolling tactic.
i'm not trolling you, man. i'm getting back with the same bullshit i'm being continuously bombed with on these forums. you think that's "trolling"? you are an admin, how about you start doing something about it. you are welcome start with me.
I'm not an admin. I'm a moderator. Two different sets of permissions on the site.

You're only getting return fire for what you spew out, with little to nothing to back it up, Shahter. In the words of one of our posters: "deal with it."

And yes, constantly trying to make "the free and the brave" seem like a dig is trolling. Poor trolling, but trolling nonetheless.
return fire for what i spew out? whatever. i may not agree with usmarine on much, but he's certainly right about so called "moderators" on these forum and how they need to check their priorities.

Shahter wrote:

How has the West been threatening people with nukes for not doing exactly what we say after we've been invited to participate in the process and then refused? Don't say Iraq, because that's not the way that went down. Don't say Afghanistan, because that's not how that went down, either.

Face it: it's all about Russia posturing to try to regain prominence that was lost after the fall of the USSR. And it's a remarkably shitty way to go about it in today's climate.
what's with the nukes again? threatening is threatening, nukes are just one of many things you can use in the process. russia, unfortunately, haven't got much to threaten others with anymore.
Why was there a need to threaten at all?
mainly because of what's happening in lybia and stuff like that.

Shahter wrote:

Because I obviously didn't mistype ASAT for ABM. FFS...pedantry...
"obviously"? hmm. k.
but then in abm systems russia certainly have some experience. really, they do
You're right. Failure is experience. Everyone can learn.
S-400 (or whatever was it's nato name i don't remember) have been reportedly tested against ballistic targets and performed well. but you are right - previous failures were among the factors which led to that.

Shahter wrote:

Pretty sure Israel's never done anything of the sort, nor would the US or any other ally of theirs "be behind them" if they did. Because it's jackassery.
wat? so israely continuously drive palestinian people from their land, while once in a while throwing a proposition like "we'll give some of that back if you agree to admit that the rest is legitimately ours. what, you won't? k, we will continue pushing you away then, come back when you reconsider." they did it all while you were continuously blocking any and all attempts at resolving this crap by un. if that's no extortion - i don't know what is.
Nice derail attempt.

We're talking about Russia and their response to missile systems in former USSR client states.
no, we are not. from the particular incident with russia's response we have moved to the political climate and context which led to it. haven't you noticed? no? i'm telling you right here then. perspective and context.

Shahter wrote:

The proper phrase is "What goes around comes around". And I can only guess that you are implying that somehow, the US's bone-headed Middle East policy somehow justifies Russia taking an equally bone-headed policy toward its former client states, even though the two situations are nothing at all alike.
no. the situations aren't. the methods used are. disregard for other's opinions on the matter is - the "bone-headed"-ness as you called it. but you are not in any position to be pointing a finger - and you know it.
Actually, people who have made mistakes--and learned from them--are the exact people to be calling out others for making similar mistakes. Why on earth would you think it's a good idea to take the same--admittedly--stupid policy approach that ostracized the US with so many globally?
those "mistakes" have worked remarkably well for you though. also, even since there was no ussr to counter-balance usa you have been making it abundantly clear that it you don't give a fuck about what "ostracized you globally". it's empty words meaning fuckall in international relations.

Shahter wrote:

see above. after you clean your own lawn maybe i'll accept something like this from you. until then - enjoy what may very well develop into another cold war.
Again, see above. Here in the US, our mothers ask our children this question when the kids say, "but the other kids are doing it": "If the other kids jumped off a bridge, would you?" Point being, just because someone else does something that's not a great idea, it doesn't mean you have to, as well.
usa is hardly a "mother" and russia is certainly not a "kid". if anything, it's the other way around in most respects. but, what's most important, the world is hardly a kindergarten, man. in the modern world might makes right and everybody is for themselves. your analogy is irrelivant.

Unilateralism has its place: usually when there is an existential threat involved. This ain't it. Never was. Russia knows it, as does everyone else. Which is what makes Russia's behavior all the more boorish, considering.
answered already in my first post re this.
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So the negotiating tactic is: "Put the system where we say--whether it is the best place for it or not--or we put nukes on the border"? And everyone involved is supposed to just roll over and take that? Weird that it didn't happen that way.
Its not much different from your "we're putting them where we want, fuck you if it breaks all previous treaties" tactic.
Why are you surprised the Russians aren't rolling over and taking it?
Considering that wasn't the tactic (see "invited the Russians to participate" part)...reading comprehension ftw.
Except "invited to participate" meant "we're doing it, on our terms, we invite you to acquiesce"
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

There's getting money and there's getting money. How would you explain a monolithic brick school with the latest gadgets and most up-to-date books getting less money from the district than the one around the corner that's made out of portables chained together with a mud-and-rock field for sports? Doesn't seem possible.
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https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ … vote=00210
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Kmar wrote:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00210
It amazes me that there were actually members of congress that voted for (or against a charge and trial in this case) indefinite military detention of US citizens on US soil.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/29/senat … ion-provis
Those damn Republicans!

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Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 2
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Murkowski (R-AK)
Oh, wait...
FEOS
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Shahter wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Again with the media conspiracy theories. From the guy who lives in a place where all media is controlled by the government. Rich.

I get my foreign affairs inputs from articles written by those who live in the countries involved, thank you. You know, like those who you are referencing. I guess they must be controlled by the massive, world-wide anti-Russia media conspiracy...unlike the pristine media environment in Russia, eh?
/sigh
remind me, where did i say anything about russian media? media is media - they do what they are paid to do. who do you think pays for those articles from which you get your "inputs"? unlike you, i'm not taking any of my info from media - i'm actually communicating with those people on daily basis, people, who, according to your "inputs", are eager to embrace the west, and i'm telling you - no, they are not. when was the last time you actually talked to uzbek or georgian? never? i thought so.
Yesterday. But they live in the US, so they're probably biased. If you talked to one yesterday, they obviously live in Russia, so they're probably biased, as well. Either way, neither of us is talking to someone on the street, in one of the nations involved, directly. The only way you can get that information is from writings from people in those countries. Which is what I was referring to. But obviously those are biased as well, since they don't align with your views...right?

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:

and it's pissing Putin off to no end. God forbid he see that as an opportunity to improve Russia's relations with the rest of the world, rather than making things worse. There's more than one way to rise back up, you know...
usa & co made it perfectly clear that nobody is going to be allowed to simply "rise up" peacefully. you did allow china to do that, got scared shitless by what they accomplished and went bombing anyone who tried to run themselves the way they wanted with "democracy and freedom". there's no improving anything. in the modern world everybody is for themselves.
"Nobody is going to be allowed to simply 'rise up' peacefully"? Really?
there, i highlighted the important part for you. cool your heels and come back to me when you have an argument.
Highlighting an invalid argument doesn't make it any less invalid, Shahter. Nobody is bombing anyone because they are "trying to run themselves the way they want". If you have facts to back up that specious argument, by all means, please present them.

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:

As if calling the West "the free and the brave" repeatedly is going to hurt someone's feelings? Try a new trolling tactic.
i'm not trolling you, man. i'm getting back with the same bullshit i'm being continuously bombed with on these forums. you think that's "trolling"? you are an admin, how about you start doing something about it. you are welcome start with me.
I'm not an admin. I'm a moderator. Two different sets of permissions on the site.

You're only getting return fire for what you spew out, with little to nothing to back it up, Shahter. In the words of one of our posters: "deal with it."

And yes, constantly trying to make "the free and the brave" seem like a dig is trolling. Poor trolling, but trolling nonetheless.
return fire for what i spew out? whatever. i may not agree with usmarine on much, but he's certainly right about so called "moderators" on these forum and how they need to check their priorities.
Is there a point or a complaint? If so, present it. You throw out hyperbolic statements with zero facts to back them up (other than "I live here, you don't, so shut up"--which as often as not does not apply), then get pissed when people use things like "logic" and "facts" to skewer your positions. If you don't like that, then stay away from a message board called "Debate and Serious Talk".

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:


what's with the nukes again? threatening is threatening, nukes are just one of many things you can use in the process. russia, unfortunately, haven't got much to threaten others with anymore.
Why was there a need to threaten at all?
mainly because of what's happening in lybia and stuff like that.
What's happening in Libya has nothing to do with Russia. Not that the Libyan adventure was all that popular with most here, anyway (nor was it a US-led effort, btw). And Russia was threatening long before Libya, so it's fairly disingenuous to use Libya as the rationale for behavior that was occurring beforehand.

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:

"obviously"? hmm. k.
but then in abm systems russia certainly have some experience. really, they do
You're right. Failure is experience. Everyone can learn.
S-400 (or whatever was it's nato name i don't remember) have been reportedly tested against ballistic targets and performed well. but you are right - previous failures were among the factors which led to that.
SA-21. Very capable SAM. Scares the shit out of Western aircrews, and for good reason. Would be nice if Russia would contribute that to a full-up European ABM capability. Not sure how that compares to THAAD or other ABM systems in development, though.

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:

wat? so israely continuously drive palestinian people from their land, while once in a while throwing a proposition like "we'll give some of that back if you agree to admit that the rest is legitimately ours. what, you won't? k, we will continue pushing you away then, come back when you reconsider." they did it all while you were continuously blocking any and all attempts at resolving this crap by un. if that's no extortion - i don't know what is.
Nice derail attempt.

We're talking about Russia and their response to missile systems in former USSR client states.
no, we are not. from the particular incident with russia's response we have moved to the political climate and context which led to it. haven't you noticed? no? i'm telling you right here then. perspective and context.
The political climate and context WRT Russia. Israel and Palestine have fuckall to do with the political climate and context WRT Russia. You know that. I know that. A teenage kid with a dirt floor house in Kyrgyzstan knows that.

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:

no. the situations aren't. the methods used are. disregard for other's opinions on the matter is - the "bone-headed"-ness as you called it. but you are not in any position to be pointing a finger - and you know it.
Actually, people who have made mistakes--and learned from them--are the exact people to be calling out others for making similar mistakes. Why on earth would you think it's a good idea to take the same--admittedly--stupid policy approach that ostracized the US with so many globally?
those "mistakes" have worked remarkably well for you though. also, even since there was no ussr to counter-balance usa you have been making it abundantly clear that it you don't give a fuck about what "ostracized you globally". it's empty words meaning fuckall in international relations.
Have you been asleep the last 2.5 years? Our president has done nothing but run around, apologizing to the world.

Shahter wrote:

Shahter wrote:

see above. after you clean your own lawn maybe i'll accept something like this from you. until then - enjoy what may very well develop into another cold war.
Again, see above. Here in the US, our mothers ask our children this question when the kids say, "but the other kids are doing it": "If the other kids jumped off a bridge, would you?" Point being, just because someone else does something that's not a great idea, it doesn't mean you have to, as well.
usa is hardly a "mother" and russia is certainly not a "kid". if anything, it's the other way around in most respects. but, what's most important, the world is hardly a kindergarten, man. in the modern world might makes right and everybody is for themselves. your analogy is irrelivant.
Wasn't saying that Russia was a kid and the US was its mother or even that Russia was a child and the US was an adult. What I was trying to get across was the fucking meaning behind it--the enduring truth. Doing something just because others are doing it--especially if it isn't in your interests--is asinine. That's exactly what Russia is doing. Way to completely miss the entirety of the point.

"Might makes right" is one approach to take. Again, ignoring the mistakes of others and making them yourselves all over again is a perfectly valid foreign policy. It's stupid as all fucking get out, but nations have that prerogative, I suppose.

Shahter wrote:

Unilateralism has its place: usually when there is an existential threat involved. This ain't it. Never was. Russia knows it, as does everyone else. Which is what makes Russia's behavior all the more boorish, considering.
answered already in my first post re this.
Not really.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Its not much different from your "we're putting them where we want, fuck you if it breaks all previous treaties" tactic.
Why are you surprised the Russians aren't rolling over and taking it?
Considering that wasn't the tactic (see "invited the Russians to participate" part)...reading comprehension ftw.
Except "invited to participate" meant "we're doing it, on our terms, we invite you to acquiesce"
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6655|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

Its sometimes worth reading history as written by other people.
Exactly my point.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Its sometimes worth reading history as written by other people.
i can haz history?
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lmao at this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de … -shortfall

Afghanistan's security forces face a $4bn (£2.5bn) funding shortfall after 2014 – when they are supposed to take over the main responsibility for fighting the insurgency – raising questions over whether the Kabul government will have the resources to keep the Taliban at bay, the Guardian has learned
invade country, set up your new preferred form of government, go broke at home, pull-out, leave said country without any funding for the instability you caused

/west grins

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Uzique wrote:

lmao at this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de … -shortfall

Afghanistan's security forces face a $4bn (£2.5bn) funding shortfall after 2014 – when they are supposed to take over the main responsibility for fighting the insurgency – raising questions over whether the Kabul government will have the resources to keep the Taliban at bay, the Guardian has learned
invade country, set up your new preferred form of government, go broke at home, pull-out, leave said country without any funding for the instability you caused

/west grins
the government as is doesn't have much control beyond Kabul.  But it's 3 years away, i'm sure we'll find a way to throw money at them.  Maybe they are stockpiling all that missing money to compensate for the pullout.
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Its going to be a repeat of the Russian pullout, a small fortified zone will survive until the funding stops, then they'll be wiped out and the Taliban will be running the place again.

All they have to do is dust off the plan the CIA/ISI gave them the last time, gather up te weapons the CIA provided the last time and boom.

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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6655|'Murka

Uzique wrote:

lmao at this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de … -shortfall

Afghanistan's security forces face a $4bn (£2.5bn) funding shortfall after 2014 – when they are supposed to take over the main responsibility for fighting the insurgency – raising questions over whether the Kabul government will have the resources to keep the Taliban at bay, the Guardian has learned
invade country, set up your new preferred form of government, go broke at home, pull-out, leave said country without any funding for the instability you caused

/west grins
Get some firms in there to exploit the trillions of dollars of raw minerals they have. Should fix their funding shortfall.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6714
oh okay. i guess it is a uniquely american form of democracy to depose all stability and tradition and then sell the entire thing to foreign white and asian people on the free market. you know what theorists call that? neocolonialism.

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FEOS
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Uzique wrote:

oh okay. i guess it is a uniquely american form of democracy to depose all stability and tradition and then sell the entire thing to foreign white and asian people on the free market. you know what theorists call that? neocolonialism.
Who said that all stability and tradition was being deposed and being sold off to anyone? There's a fuckload more stability there right now than there has been in 30 years, even as unstable as it is. It's just that people care more about it because our people are involved.

Exploiting one's resources for gain is normal, Uzique. It's called business. Or do you expect Afghanistan to remain mud hut-dwelling farmers for all eternity?
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there's a difference between exploiting "one's" resources and selling it off to other people, wholesale. of course if the afghans were to get a fair deal and profit from their own vast mineral/resource wealth, i wouldn't have a problem with it. but of course we all know that the multinational corporations circle like vultures to strip the place of its assets.
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Uzique wrote:

there's a difference between exploiting "one's" resources and selling it off to other people, wholesale. of course if the afghans were to get a fair deal and profit from their own vast mineral/resource wealth, i wouldn't have a problem with it. but of course we all know that the multinational corporations circle like vultures to strip the place of its assets.
Of course, the logic behind it being to "pay back" the investment of western powers in "freeing" the country from the Taliban.
FEOS
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+1,182|6655|'Murka

Let's see the Afghans exploit those resources on their own, then. It'll probably work out well.
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Yeesh.
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They live in their own weird bubble.
As I understand it there is a hierachy amongst jews. Those born in Israel>Israeli Immigrants>Other Jews.

Its as discriminatory as the Indian caste system, and the Indians are pretty quick to shout 'Racism!'
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