Wouldn't buy this game no matter how good it is as it isn't appeasing to me.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.jord wrote:
If the game was well made and entertaining, I would. It's just a game, and it's just pixels.lowing wrote:
So your opinion is, if the game was spectacular, you would approve?krazed wrote:
shit game, who cares
Of course it's over the line, but the intention this guy had which is made obvious by how poor the game is was clearly to upset people. He's a troll, and he's probably making money off the trolling somehow. By you posting about it and the media spreading it around, this guy gets what he wants.lowing wrote:
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.jord wrote:
If the game was well made and entertaining, I would. It's just a game, and it's just pixels.lowing wrote:
So your opinion is, if the game was spectacular, you would approve?
If it were a game on the scale of an indie game like, I dunno, The Ball or something in terms of FPS's... then it'd be a bigger deal, because obviously then it's not just about the attention, it's about someone really trying to recreate scenes like this with the closest graphical represenation. It's not. It's a shitty mod using the Source engine with stock City 17 civilians from HL2 in an awful map.
If it were a "quality game" depicting the killing of children in a school, would you buy it or boycott it out of principle?Poseidon wrote:
Of course it's over the line, but the intention this guy had which is made obvious by how poor the game is was clearly to upset people. He's a troll, and he's probably making money off the trolling somehow. By you posting about it and the media spreading it around, this guy gets what he wants.lowing wrote:
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.jord wrote:
If the game was well made and entertaining, I would. It's just a game, and it's just pixels.
If it were a game on the scale of an indie game like, I dunno, The Ball or something in terms of FPS's... then it'd be a bigger deal, because obviously then it's not just about the attention, it's about someone really trying to recreate scenes like this with the closest graphical represenation. It's not. It's a shitty mod using the Source engine with stock City 17 civilians from HL2 in an awful map.
A game like that would never make it to the market without being rated Adults Only anyways so that'd stop almost all kids buying it (which would be my main issue). I wouldn't buy it, no. It's different compared to a game like GTA IV where if you kill civilians/cops, you get a wanted level and most likely fail your mission. The ability to kill civvies and cops is there, but the game doesn't tell you to do it as a goal.lowing wrote:
If it were a "quality game" depicting the killing of children in a school, would you buy it or boycott it out of principle?Poseidon wrote:
Of course it's over the line, but the intention this guy had which is made obvious by how poor the game is was clearly to upset people. He's a troll, and he's probably making money off the trolling somehow. By you posting about it and the media spreading it around, this guy gets what he wants.lowing wrote:
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.
If it were a game on the scale of an indie game like, I dunno, The Ball or something in terms of FPS's... then it'd be a bigger deal, because obviously then it's not just about the attention, it's about someone really trying to recreate scenes like this with the closest graphical represenation. It's not. It's a shitty mod using the Source engine with stock City 17 civilians from HL2 in an awful map.
Lets not forget that it's all fantasy. Playing a game like that isn't necessarily condoning the behavior. Even if GTA IV did reward the behavior, it doesn't mean that anyone who plays it is gonna go do it in real life. There's a solid distinction between the two for anyone.Poseidon wrote:
A game like that would never make it to the market without being rated Adults Only anyways so that'd stop almost all kids buying it (which would be my main issue). I wouldn't buy it, no. It's different compared to a game like GTA IV where if you kill civilians/cops, you get a wanted level and most likely fail your mission. The ability to kill civvies and cops is there, but the game doesn't tell you to do it as a goal.lowing wrote:
If it were a "quality game" depicting the killing of children in a school, would you buy it or boycott it out of principle?Poseidon wrote:
Of course it's over the line, but the intention this guy had which is made obvious by how poor the game is was clearly to upset people. He's a troll, and he's probably making money off the trolling somehow. By you posting about it and the media spreading it around, this guy gets what he wants.
If it were a game on the scale of an indie game like, I dunno, The Ball or something in terms of FPS's... then it'd be a bigger deal, because obviously then it's not just about the attention, it's about someone really trying to recreate scenes like this with the closest graphical represenation. It's not. It's a shitty mod using the Source engine with stock City 17 civilians from HL2 in an awful map.
If such a game were made I probably wouldn't buy it but I wouldn't "boycott" it either. This whole assault on video games is pointless and without basis, no different than what was spurred against movies and comic books when they first came around. The bar is going to need to be pushed until people realize that its fantasy and a bar doesn't need to exist.
In short, Fantasy crimes <> Actual crime, no matter what the outlet.
Wait, so it's just a poorly done Half-Life 2 mod? It doesn't even look like a school-shooting senario, just walking into a room and shooting HL2 characters who just stand around.
So yeah, fucking thread worthy.
So yeah, fucking thread worthy.
Yep, I mean I consider myself a pacifist and I was playing GTAIII when I was 9. The thing is, my mother made sure I knew what I was playing wasn't real life and that I wouldn't recreate it in real life. That's the key issue with games like these: parenting. It's up to the parents to decide if their child is mentally competent enough to handle a violent video game.Blue Herring wrote:
Lets not forget that it's all fantasy. Playing a game like that isn't necessarily condoning the behavior. Even if GTA IV did reward the behavior, it doesn't mean that anyone who plays it is gonna go do it in real life. There's a solid distinction between the two for anyone.Poseidon wrote:
A game like that would never make it to the market without being rated Adults Only anyways so that'd stop almost all kids buying it (which would be my main issue). I wouldn't buy it, no. It's different compared to a game like GTA IV where if you kill civilians/cops, you get a wanted level and most likely fail your mission. The ability to kill civvies and cops is there, but the game doesn't tell you to do it as a goal.lowing wrote:
If it were a "quality game" depicting the killing of children in a school, would you buy it or boycott it out of principle?
If such a game were made I probably wouldn't buy it but I wouldn't "boycott" it either. This whole assault on video games is pointless and without basis, no different than what was spurred against movies and comic books when they first came around. The bar is going to need to be pushed until people realize that its fantasy and a bar doesn't need to exist.
In short, Fantasy crimes <> Actual crime, no matter what the outlet.
Well that is why I can not support my attitude toward a game like school shooter. Because I have no problem with GTA, the killing of cops and civilians SHOULD be a line crosser for me but for some reason I am not bothered by it. Hell I let my kids play it. I suppose it is simply the killing of kids is where my personal line is drawn.Poseidon wrote:
A game like that would never make it to the market without being rated Adults Only anyways so that'd stop almost all kids buying it (which would be my main issue). I wouldn't buy it, no. It's different compared to a game like GTA IV where if you kill civilians/cops, you get a wanted level and most likely fail your mission. The ability to kill civvies and cops is there, but the game doesn't tell you to do it as a goal.lowing wrote:
If it were a "quality game" depicting the killing of children in a school, would you buy it or boycott it out of principle?Poseidon wrote:
Of course it's over the line, but the intention this guy had which is made obvious by how poor the game is was clearly to upset people. He's a troll, and he's probably making money off the trolling somehow. By you posting about it and the media spreading it around, this guy gets what he wants.
If it were a game on the scale of an indie game like, I dunno, The Ball or something in terms of FPS's... then it'd be a bigger deal, because obviously then it's not just about the attention, it's about someone really trying to recreate scenes like this with the closest graphical represenation. It's not. It's a shitty mod using the Source engine with stock City 17 civilians from HL2 in an awful map.
I did not see the game clips before I posted the topic. I only read the article about the game. I agree it looks nothing like it is portrayed, however the discussion of what crosses the line, if anything, regarding taste and morality in video games is a worthy discussion.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
Wait, so it's just a poorly done Half-Life 2 mod? It doesn't even look like a school-shooting senario, just walking into a room and shooting HL2 characters who just stand around.
So yeah, fucking thread worthy.
I agree with you but you're asking an awful lot of people that don't even care about their kids education enough to get involved. Most people use school as a baby sitting service and not a place of learning, so when little Johnny is a piece of shit, of course it is the schools fault and not their parental upbringing.Poseidon wrote:
Yep, I mean I consider myself a pacifist and I was playing GTAIII when I was 9. The thing is, my mother made sure I knew what I was playing wasn't real life and that I wouldn't recreate it in real life. That's the key issue with games like these: parenting. It's up to the parents to decide if their child is mentally competent enough to handle a violent video game.Blue Herring wrote:
Lets not forget that it's all fantasy. Playing a game like that isn't necessarily condoning the behavior. Even if GTA IV did reward the behavior, it doesn't mean that anyone who plays it is gonna go do it in real life. There's a solid distinction between the two for anyone.Poseidon wrote:
A game like that would never make it to the market without being rated Adults Only anyways so that'd stop almost all kids buying it (which would be my main issue). I wouldn't buy it, no. It's different compared to a game like GTA IV where if you kill civilians/cops, you get a wanted level and most likely fail your mission. The ability to kill civvies and cops is there, but the game doesn't tell you to do it as a goal.
If such a game were made I probably wouldn't buy it but I wouldn't "boycott" it either. This whole assault on video games is pointless and without basis, no different than what was spurred against movies and comic books when they first came around. The bar is going to need to be pushed until people realize that its fantasy and a bar doesn't need to exist.
In short, Fantasy crimes <> Actual crime, no matter what the outlet.
Attention-seeking troll developer? [x]
Rediculously poor taste? [x]
Unnecessary media attention? [x]
Yep, it's offensive, and pretty obviously intended to be so. Should it be illegal? No, since that has all sorts of 1st Amendment implications. Do these shootings really affect many people? Nope, but I have glimpsed the results, and they are truly heartbreaking for those they do affect. This kind of game is stupid enough that most people know to ignore it. Now, if it became popular or I saw a friend enjoying it, I would get pissed. School shootings are not something to be entertained by.
Rediculously poor taste? [x]
Unnecessary media attention? [x]
Yep, it's offensive, and pretty obviously intended to be so. Should it be illegal? No, since that has all sorts of 1st Amendment implications. Do these shootings really affect many people? Nope, but I have glimpsed the results, and they are truly heartbreaking for those they do affect. This kind of game is stupid enough that most people know to ignore it. Now, if it became popular or I saw a friend enjoying it, I would get pissed. School shootings are not something to be entertained by.
Especially with his answers in the interview, he's quite clearly just trying to piss people off.RAIMIUS wrote:
Attention-seeking troll developer? [x]
Rediculously poor taste? [x]
Unnecessary media attention? [x]
Yep, it's offensive, and pretty obviously intended to be so. Should it be illegal? No, since that has all sorts of 1st Amendment implications. Do these shootings really affect many people? Nope, but I have glimpsed the results, and they are truly heartbreaking for those they do affect. This kind of game is stupid enough that most people know to ignore it. Now, if it became popular or I saw a friend enjoying it, I would get pissed. School shootings are not something to be entertained by.
Sad that this can work.
I can't say I'd ever play such a game because the inherent problem with such a game is the lack of entertainment. There's no real fun walking around shooting unarmed people, at least not for more than 10 minutes. If say the next GTA had kids in it as well, then I'd have no problem with that whatsoever.lowing wrote:
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.jord wrote:
If the game was well made and entertaining, I would. It's just a game, and it's just pixels.lowing wrote:
So your opinion is, if the game was spectacular, you would approve?
Now that you say that, I doubt I would either. I can not rationalize it at all, not one bit, but the school shooter game concept is distasteful to me.jord wrote:
I can't say I'd ever play such a game because the inherent problem with such a game is the lack of entertainment. There's no real fun walking around shooting unarmed people, at least not for more than 10 minutes. If say the next GTA had kids in it as well, then I'd have no problem with that whatsoever.lowing wrote:
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.jord wrote:
If the game was well made and entertaining, I would. It's just a game, and it's just pixels.
That looks boring/ stupid as shit. People dont even run away. One of those fucking hunting games would be more interesting
Meh, no good weapon choices. Boring
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
That's the problem, a lack of challenge.jord wrote:
I can't say I'd ever play such a game because the inherent problem with such a game is the lack of entertainment. There's no real fun walking around shooting unarmed people, at least not for more than 10 minutes. If say the next GTA had kids in it as well, then I'd have no problem with that whatsoever.lowing wrote:
When I posted this thread, I never saw the game just read its description. It hardly resembles anything of what was described. I gotta say though, a game that depicted the slaughter of little kids has over stepped the line in my opinion pixels not withstanding.jord wrote:
If the game was well made and entertaining, I would. It's just a game, and it's just pixels.
I suppose you could theoretically make it so you search for specific students while evading SWAT, but at that point, the whole school shooting thing is really just a gimmick.
To make a game to accurately simulate the experience of a school shooting wouldn't be fun because shooting up a school isn't difficult, which is why the specific kids did it. Easiest way to cheap power and fame.
If the students attack you and attempt to disarm you then it could be a challenge.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
But, again, that would make the school shooting thing more of a gimmick, and an awful one at that.-Sh1fty- wrote:
If the students attack you and attempt to disarm you then it could be a challenge.