also, when you decide to have sex, you basically agree to the fact that your kid has a chance of a life like this. if for some reason you aren't prepared for it, either mentally or physically, you shouldn't have had sex in the first place
UH... I wasn't aware that when a woman was raped she was deciding to have sex.HaiBai wrote:
also, when you decide to have sex, you basically agree to the fact that your kid has a chance of a life like this. if for some reason you aren't prepared for it, either mentally or physically, you shouldn't have had sex in the first place
obviously what i said doesn't apply to rape. but the child still has the right to a life.
its not fair, but life isn't fair
its not fair, but life isn't fair
Yep, not fair for the unborn embryo. Tough fucking luck for that bunch of cells.
When they get old enough to decide for them selves, I support euthanasia too.HaiBai wrote:
no it doesn't. you're a selfish asshole if you feel like your child isn't worthy of a life just because of a disability. what if he had some complications after he was born? for example, he had trouble breathing and was brain damaged after that? now what do you do? "accidentally" kill him for his own good because you don't want him to suffer for the rest of his life?
we're all "a bunch of cells". besides, do you have 100% proof that a fetus is not a person until the moment they are born? if not, we can't take the risk. sorry.DrunkFace wrote:
Yep, not fair for the unborn embryo. Tough fucking luck for that bunch of cells.
oh really? so all the people suffering from depression and suicide thoughts should just be able to kill themselves even when their judgement is clearly being affected by their condition?DrunkFace wrote:
When they get old enough to decide for them selves, I support euthanasia too.HaiBai wrote:
no it doesn't. you're a selfish asshole if you feel like your child isn't worthy of a life just because of a disability. what if he had some complications after he was born? for example, he had trouble breathing and was brain damaged after that? now what do you do? "accidentally" kill him for his own good because you don't want him to suffer for the rest of his life?
If they can't survive outside the womb. They are not human. They are a parasite.HaiBai wrote:
we're all "a bunch of cells". besides, do you have 100% proof that a fetus is not a person until the moment they are born? if not, we can't take the risk. sorry.DrunkFace wrote:
Yep, not fair for the unborn embryo. Tough fucking luck for that bunch of cells.
Sure, why not?HaiBai wrote:
oh really? so all the people suffering from depression and suicide thoughts should just be able to kill themselves even when their judgement is clearly being affected by their condition?DrunkFace wrote:
When they get old enough to decide for them selves, I support euthanasia too.HaiBai wrote:
no it doesn't. you're a selfish asshole if you feel like your child isn't worthy of a life just because of a disability. what if he had some complications after he was born? for example, he had trouble breathing and was brain damaged after that? now what do you do? "accidentally" kill him for his own good because you don't want him to suffer for the rest of his life?
It's there life remember.
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You can't have an abortion up until the moment the baby is born. There is a time limit before it is not allowed.HaiBai wrote:
we're all "a bunch of cells". besides, do you have 100% proof that a fetus is not a person until the moment they are born? if not, we can't take the risk. sorry.DrunkFace wrote:
Yep, not fair for the unborn embryo. Tough fucking luck for that bunch of cells.
I got to say, I have a lot of respect for people who keep and raise a kid with downs or any other severe mental disability. I don't think I could handle it, to tell you the truth the possibility of being confronted with it absolutely terrifies me.FEOS wrote:
Actually, I find it highly offensive.War Man wrote:
By the way, I hope you don't find it offensive FEOS of me using the word retard. I'm the kind of person who prefers to say things as they are and not use a different word because it sounds friendly.
Though my son's situation and the Palins' situation are completely different.
Down Syndrome isn't the type of situation that should call for an abortion, IMO. That child can life a full and fruitful life, despite their mental challenges. Trisomy 21 (Down Syndrome) has a broad spectrum of problems, however, so it would still be a personal decision.
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It's the Pope, who gives a fuck?HaiBai wrote:
Nic wrote:
And what if he had some kind of disability where he would be a mute vegetable for his entire life, and you are not the gazillionire it would take to raise a child like that. The child is sentanced to a lifetime of pain and misery just to suit your moral high ground? There are more severe things that could go wrong than a slight mental disability or a extra finger.HaiBai wrote:
no it doesn't. you're a selfish asshole if you feel like your child isn't worthy of a life just because of a disability. what if he had some complications after he was born? for example, he had trouble breathing and was brain damaged after that? now what do you do? "accidentally" kill him for his own good because you don't want him to suffer for the rest of his life?Pope John Paul II wrote:
The sick person in a 'vegetative state', awaiting recovery or a natural end, still has the right to basic health care (nutrition, hydration, cleanliness, warmth, etc.), and to the prevention of complications related to his confinement to bed. He also has the right to appropriate rehabilitative care and to be monitored for clinical signs of eventual recovery.
There's a difference between killing yourself on a whim and killing yourself after careful contemplation for a few days.HaiBai wrote:
oh really? so all the people suffering from depression and suicide thoughts should just be able to kill themselves even when their judgement is clearly being affected by their condition?DrunkFace wrote:
When they get old enough to decide for them selves, I support euthanasia too.HaiBai wrote:
no it doesn't. you're a selfish asshole if you feel like your child isn't worthy of a life just because of a disability. what if he had some complications after he was born? for example, he had trouble breathing and was brain damaged after that? now what do you do? "accidentally" kill him for his own good because you don't want him to suffer for the rest of his life?
There should be a legal framework for euthanasia that includes counseling.
...barring extenuating circumstances, of course.Nic wrote:
You can't have an abortion up until the moment the baby is born. There is a time limit before it is not allowed.HaiBai wrote:
we're all "a bunch of cells". besides, do you have 100% proof that a fetus is not a person until the moment they are born? if not, we can't take the risk. sorry.DrunkFace wrote:
Yep, not fair for the unborn embryo. Tough fucking luck for that bunch of cells.
I feel the same way, but I would never kill a baby.Shocking wrote:
I got to say, I have a lot of respect for people who keep and raise a kid with downs or any other severe mental disability. I don't think I could handle it, to tell you the truth the possibility of being confronted with it absolutely terrifies me.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Why is the rape point continually made? Rape victims do not justify everybody else getting abortions. I don't see why everyone feels the need to constantly state it. Why do you believe abortion is justified when it was consentual and they just don't want to take responsibility for their actions?Nic wrote:
UH... I wasn't aware that when a woman was raped she was deciding to have sex.
Nobody has the right to tell someone else to keep a baby, ofcourse there are extreme examples of people having multiple abortions but it's not compassionate to force a kid into the world who's not wanted. That's cruel, actually.
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If a woman is raped I think the child will be the least of her mental problems. FFS she was RAPED. She can put the kid up for adoption.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
it's a fucking unconcious fetus, dry your eyes. It isn't a "cute baby", it isn't a "member of society', it's a damn fetus.
My parents hated me and I'm still happy to live. I don't think any individual's potential for a happy life should be decided by somebody else. Sure, I wouldn't have experienced life so I wouldn't know what I'd be missing, but none the less, it a spooky thought that nowadays its considered okay to to give other people power over others lives just because they haven't fully developed yet.Shocking wrote:
Nobody has the right to tell someone else to keep a baby, ofcourse there are extreme examples of people having multiple abortions but it's not compassionate to force a kid into the world who's not wanted. That's cruel, actually.
Of course, if by "keep a baby" you mean raise it, then I agree absolutely.
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It's a human being in "Fetus stage."jord wrote:
it's a fucking unconcious fetus, dry your eyes. It isn't a "cute baby", it isn't a "member of society', it's a damn fetus.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Because if you made abortions illegal, those completely innocent people would be the ones suffering. They're not going to make it illegal except under certain circumstances, because then incidents of 'rape' would skyrocket.Blue Herring wrote:
Why is the rape point continually made? Rape victims do not justify everybody else getting abortions. I don't see why everyone feels the need to constantly state it. Why do you believe abortion is justified when it was consentual and they just don't want to take responsibility for their actions?Nic wrote:
UH... I wasn't aware that when a woman was raped she was deciding to have sex.
Well, in Roe vs Wade, the woman had faked rape to try to get an abortion, which ultimately failed because there was no evidence of rape. Her inability to lie about it was the reason that case even came to be.ghettoperson wrote:
Because if you made abortions illegal, those completely innocent people would be the ones suffering. They're not going to make it illegal except under certain circumstances, because then incidents of 'rape' would skyrocket.Blue Herring wrote:
Why is the rape point continually made? Rape victims do not justify everybody else getting abortions. I don't see why everyone feels the need to constantly state it. Why do you believe abortion is justified when it was consentual and they just don't want to take responsibility for their actions?Nic wrote:
UH... I wasn't aware that when a woman was raped she was deciding to have sex.
Absolutely I mean raising it, I feel having a baby just so you can put it up for adoption with the idea of "atleast I didn't kill it" is even more cruel.Blue Herring wrote:
My parents hated me and I'm still happy to live. I don't think any individual's potential for a happy life should be decided by somebody else. Sure, I wouldn't have experienced life so I wouldn't know what I'd be missing, but none the less, it a spooky thought that nowadays its considered okay to to give other people power over others lives just because they haven't fully developed yet.
Of course, if by "keep a baby" you mean raise it, then I agree absolutely.
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Nope, you're giving it a chance to live, how is that crueler than killing?
You guys are sickos
You guys are sickos
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And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Not everyone is suicidal over a bad upbringing(nor does every adoption turn out bad), to just assume it will be and kill it anyways is obscene.Shocking wrote:
Absolutely I mean raising it, I feel having a baby just so you can put it up for adoption with the idea of "atleast I didn't kill it" is even more cruel.Blue Herring wrote:
My parents hated me and I'm still happy to live. I don't think any individual's potential for a happy life should be decided by somebody else. Sure, I wouldn't have experienced life so I wouldn't know what I'd be missing, but none the less, it a spooky thought that nowadays its considered okay to to give other people power over others lives just because they haven't fully developed yet.
Of course, if by "keep a baby" you mean raise it, then I agree absolutely.