lowing also fails to realize that the problems with those countries stem from having a poor society with a corrupt and oppressive government. They have similar problems to South East Asia and Central and South America. But lowing would never mention that, as those places aren't Islamic.
lol poor. it happens in saudi. bin laden was a rich motherfucker...well his daddy was. ya, its all about being poor. right.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
lowing also fails to realize that the problems with those countries stem from having a poor society with a corrupt and oppressive government. They have similar problems to South East Asia and Central and South America. But lowing would never mention that, as those places aren't Islamic.
environment in which you grow up if anything.
Afghanistan has seen constant war/oppression since the mid 70s, I reckon kids over there have some serious issues - not to mention the adults.
Afghanistan has seen constant war/oppression since the mid 70s, I reckon kids over there have some serious issues - not to mention the adults.
inane little opines
Yeah ... and Saudi is an ally no?
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
THe tactic of deny everything, admit nothing, counter with insults, attack the source not the information, and mention how everyone else did it 1000 years ago, is very affective in dodging an argument, but lends little credibility to it.
Nope, it means the people in the US don't give a shit about it as long as it stays there, and is not imported here.Varegg wrote:
Yeah ... and Saudi is an ally no?
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
doesnt mean i have toVaregg wrote:
Yeah ... and Saudi is an ally no?
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
According to lowing chain of thought you do ... one tolerates the actions of ones friends and Saudi is your friend ...11 Bravo wrote:
doesnt mean i have toVaregg wrote:
Yeah ... and Saudi is an ally no?
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
lowing, wasn't it already stated that the man divorced twice already?
Why would it be logical to connect the murder of his third wife to his religion instead of declaring him batshit insane?
Why would it be logical to connect the murder of his third wife to his religion instead of declaring him batshit insane?
inane little opines
no...thats just stupid and you being an ass about it. its accepted in the majortiy of islamic cultures. not sure how anyone can argue that.Varegg wrote:
According to lowing chain of thought you do ... one tolerates the actions of ones friends and Saudi is your friend ...11 Bravo wrote:
doesnt mean i have toVaregg wrote:
Yeah ... and Saudi is an ally no?
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
Wow when did I every say anything like that?Varegg wrote:
According to lowing chain of thought you do ... one tolerates the actions of ones friends and Saudi is your friend ...11 Bravo wrote:
doesnt mean i have toVaregg wrote:
Yeah ... and Saudi is an ally no?
Must mean that people in the US thinks beheading is okay then ...
As far as Saudi goes, it is a lesser of 2 evils type of alliance. Better to tolerate their bullshit than to have another anti US country in the ME to contend with
I connected it to Islamic culture, and the fact that in an Islamic nation, this would not be news and would be understood and accepted.dayarath wrote:
lowing, wasn't it already stated that the man divorced twice already?
Why would it be logical to connect the murder of his third wife to his religion instead of declaring him batshit insane?
Any other mis directions from that, is of others on this boards doing.
Jesus christ, I've already corrected you six times. Maybe another six times and it will sink in?lowing wrote:
I connected it to Pashtun culture, and the fact that in a Pashtun nation, this would not be news and would be understood and accepted.dayarath wrote:
lowing, wasn't it already stated that the man divorced twice already?
Why would it be logical to connect the murder of his third wife to his religion instead of declaring him batshit insane?
Any other mis directions from that, is of others on this boards doing.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Like I said.Poseidon wrote:
I hope you guys realize that as much as we're all proving him wrong, he's never going to cave on this. Ever.
maybe after 6 thousand timesJohnG@lt wrote:
Jesus christ, I've already corrected you six times. Maybe another six times and it will sink in?lowing wrote:
I connected it to Pashtun culture, and the fact that in a Pashtun nation, this would not be news and would be understood and accepted.dayarath wrote:
lowing, wasn't it already stated that the man divorced twice already?
Why would it be logical to connect the murder of his third wife to his religion instead of declaring him batshit insane?
Any other mis directions from that, is of others on this boards doing.
do you mean adultery?lowing wrote:
yer kindin' right? that was in response that suggests Islamic culture has got nothing to do with honor killings.Beduin wrote:
lol loonie pam.lowing wrote:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html
nothing in your post says anything about killing women who wants a divorce.
thats the point of your post, right :?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Dude, I'm not saying dead isn't dead, I'm just saying that beheading nowadays sort of makes me mentally point the finger even before I see the perp's name. Problem?JohnG@lt wrote:
Sure, but the cause of death is largely irrelevant.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Probably not. Beheading has a particular flavor, though.JohnG@lt wrote:
Does it really matter how she died? If the article had said "man shoots wife because she wanted a divorce" would you have given it a second glance?
I'd like to know how many people were honestly not expecting that.
and you have already been corrected in the fact that this bullshit is not exclusive to the fuckin Afghan mountains. Get over it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Jesus christ, I've already corrected you six times. Maybe another six times and it will sink in?lowing wrote:
I connected it to Pashtun culture, and the fact that in a Pashtun nation, this would not be news and would be understood and accepted.dayarath wrote:
lowing, wasn't it already stated that the man divorced twice already?
Why would it be logical to connect the murder of his third wife to his religion instead of declaring him batshit insane?
Any other mis directions from that, is of others on this boards doing.
Don't know if the particular incident has any cultural aspects to it... but a couple of years ago a guy in Santorini got in a fight with his wife over some trivial matter and to get back at her he killed her dog. Of course that wasn't enough so then he proceeded to sever her head and carry it around town - with the cops of the island at a complete loss as to how to deal with him! Guy ended up getting shot several times, despite which he managed to shoot at the cops with their own gun, steal their car and crash it onto some trees... Weird cos there's not many of those in Santoriniunnamednewbie13 wrote:
"Muzzammil Hassan"
Facepalmed when my innermost suspicions were confirmed. Not to say no other culture group acts so childish...
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Still waiting for proof that this happens in western Islamic cultures on a large scale and that this specific killing was an "honor killing" and not just a murder.
ownedlowing wrote:
Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:UnkleRukus wrote:
Where does it state in Islamic culture that "honor killings" are allowed?lowing wrote:
When honor killings is part of your culture, yup it is because of your religion and culture.
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.”
Now some sahih hadiths:
Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)
Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”
Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."
Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.
Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla … llery.html
is that enough or can you type in honor killing and see how much Islam shit comes up for yourself?
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Shut the fuck up please. You're the least educated person on this forum who will believe everything he sees as long as it's in line with your upbringing and world view. Just because you see it written down =/= its true.-Sh1fty- wrote:
ownedlowing wrote:
Dictums of Quran and Hadiths which may dictate/incite honor killing:UnkleRukus wrote:
Where does it state in Islamic culture that "honor killings" are allowed?
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
Quran-17:32 “ Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
Quran-33:33 “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display.”
Now some sahih hadiths:
Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)
Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”
Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."
Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.
Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla … llery.html
is that enough or can you type in honor killing and see how much Islam shit comes up for yourself?
Last edited by UnkleRukus (2011-03-10 16:14:45)
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.
Look it up and tell me if it's wrong Seymorebutts443. If it isn't correct you can promptly shut the fuck up please and gtfo. I believe Lowing is trustworthy and, unlike most of the liberal nuts on this forum, has a brain.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
This is quite possibly the weakest example you could've brought up to try and connect it to Islam. Firstly, the killing in itself was probably not motivated by religion (or even partly) as he let two of his ex-wives get off without resorting to killing them. Secondly, even in the most oppressive of Islamic societies it's not done to behead your wife because of a disagreement. It's not an acceptable treatment of your wife, nevermind the fact that he completely bypasses the sharia court which is central in each radical islamic community. (Muhammad supposedly said, before he died - to treat your wife with respect, which is in the Quran as well).
Lastly, the quotations from the quran that you post are completely irrelevant because similar ones occur in the texts of any religion - if we're going to argue like that you could just as easily connect every murder committed by a supposedly Christian person to their religion.
Lastly, the quotations from the quran that you post are completely irrelevant because similar ones occur in the texts of any religion - if we're going to argue like that you could just as easily connect every murder committed by a supposedly Christian person to their religion.
inane little opines
This has nothing to do with anyone's political mindset. I despise the political groupings, I think they are idiotic and useless just like you. Labels for the meek minded. This has to do with you agreeing with someone you don't even know and posting no supporting information on a topic you know nothing about.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Look it up and tell me if it's wrong Seymorebutts443. If it isn't correct you can promptly shut the fuck up please and gtfo. I believe Lowing is trustworthy and, unlike most of the liberal nuts on this forum, has a brain.
Islam is not a bad religion and neither are most of it's participants. I've met more friendly and awesome Muslims then I have Christians. Frankly people like you sicken me, you're brainwashed, ignorant and worthless.
Lowing is a smart man but he too needs to realize a few things. You however aren't smart, and you will never be smart unless you open your goddamn eyes to this world and stop seeing the generalizations because you will never be a success in life. I would seriously continue with this but it would be a broken fucking record, EG. ISLAM IS BAD, SHIFTY IS STUPID, LOWING IS A DUMB CONSERVATIVE, X IS A Y FAG.
Goddamn, this whole section could use a good deletion with the amount of tripe in it. The only worthwhile threads are the book club, science and architecture threads.
If the women don't find ya handsome. They should at least find ya handy.