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Jay wrote:

I think we could compete, and rather well

with china? you being on the other side of the globe? really?

but it's not what those countries want. The people in power in those countries want to be bought

uh-huh. that's what's you are being told. and every time there's government that does NOT behave like that it somehow always chooses somebody else over you and then conveniently becomes a "horrible tyranny" to be destroyed.

Just look at all the climate change conferences. It's Ahmadajeiajfrnehigj speaking for seven hours, and every third world country complaining about how climate change will absolutely destroy their country and spread plague and kill all the cute cuddly bunny rabbits, but if only we make a donation to their economy, the crisis will be averted. Then all the dumb fuck liberals shit themselves at the thought that they'll get their pet cause through the UN and offer all sorts of 'reparations', and 'wealth taxes' and every other sort of handout the pissant dictators demand. None of that money ever goes to the people. It goes in said pissant dictators Swiss bank account.

what does any of that have to do with anything? the matter of a fact is your military and money printing machine are your only competitive advantages over china atm, but again, as you rightly mentioned, those are not the tools to be used in fair free trade competition, so you might as well stop talking "investments" and "economic climates" on this as that stuff is completely out of your sphere of influence atm.

Shahter wrote:

uh-huh. that's what's you are being told. and every time there's government that does NOT behave like that it somehow always chooses somebody else over you and then conveniently becomes a "horrible tyranny" to be destroyed.

We're told no such thing. Every time someone mentions cutting foreign aid people throw a tantrum about all the starving children in Africa that will surely die if we do. People here really believe that the billions we send overseas every year is turned into bowls of rice and farming equipment.

He's butthurt because UNICEF recognised Palestine as a state.

I don't suppose he knows the difference

My idealism died during my deployment in Iraq.

ayn rand school for tots

Is anyone else left with the impression after reading one of Shahter's post that he believes all his ideas are beyond our capacity to think further or somehow foreign to us and that he is the one who is enlightened and open-minded?

Arab Spring has about as much to do with Democracy as a lap dance in a strip club has to do with sex.

The jaded fatalism and paranoia of Comrade Ruskie is an illuminating counterpoint to the typical western myopic bubble.

Shahter wrote:

what i find, well, strange, is how you have no problem with those brown people as long as they allow you to buy them, but every time somebody doesn't it turns out that person is also a tyrant supports terrorists and tries to get wmds to bomb jews.

Tyrants are easier to buy than true believers.
And even easier to dispose of, once they outlive their usefulness.

Have you ever heard the phrase "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"?
Why do you think we're "allies" with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?
Between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, we've got more reasons to bomb the shit out of them than everyone else combined!

Pakistani ISI has been the enemy of the USA since the 1970's and the Soviet/Afghan war.
Osama was their boy. ISI played us into assassinating his rivals, ISI set up his retirement in Abottabad.
AQ Khan (stole Western nuclear info, father of the "islamic bomb") was their boy.
Insurgent advisors in Afghanistan are very often ISI officers.

Wahabbiism? Saudi Arabia
Osama bin Laden? Saudi Arabia
Most of the money, and the vast majority of "foreign fighters" the Westerners run into in the middle east? Saudi Arabian

Iran's Quds forces playing with Hezbollah and Hamas, using Palestinians as cannon-fodder against the Israelis and West?
Complete sideshow compared to the bullshit Riyadh and the Paki ISI are running.

13/f/taiwan wrote:

Is anyone else left with the impression after reading one of Shahter's post that he believes all his ideas are beyond our capacity to think further or somehow foreign to us and that he is the one who is enlightened and open-minded?

To be fair, the myopic bubble that most people in the Western world live in is astoundingly opaque.
Unless you have personally been outside that safe bubble, it is difficult to comprehend.
Comrade Ruskie comes across as someone frustrated at running into that bubble.


They don't "hate us for our freedom fries" - They hate us because they think we're spoiled, egotistical, blind, and uncaring.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2013-02-12 04:20:09)

I just think it's funny he thinks the US is powerful because it prints money.

rdx-fx wrote:

Comrade Ruskie comes across as someone frustrated

Uzique wrote:

he's pissed

i'm not frustrated. and i'm not pissed. i'm not sure how to relate this, this huge grin and eyebrows raised i get whenever i read topics like this one - printed words don't provide for that kinda stuff and my poor english doesn't help either... i'm kinda amused, you know. the sheer hypocrisy of the people who call me brainwashed and then claim to have freedom of speech and democracy in united states, who accuse russia of meddling and of being aggressive towards a sovereign nation in south ossetia and then fully support their respective nations' involvement in so called "arab spring" - it would have been simply funny if these same people didn't express themselves as perfectly rational and capable of critical thinking on other topics, but as it stands it's just... i cannot quite wrap my mind about it, it's a cognitive dissonance of sorts. anybody wants to explain that to me? because i'm at a loss here.

rdx-fx wrote:

They don't "hate us for our freedom fries" - They hate us because they think we're spoiled, egotistical, blind, and uncaring.

i don't hate you, man. what's the point in hating you - you are but a product of the society you've been born to. what i'm amazed by is how easily some you tend to suspend even the most basic common sense whenever holding to the notion of... ummm... "freedom, liberty and pursuit of happiness" you seem to hold requires that.

Last edited by Shahter (2013-02-12 22:09:46)

Apparently the Egyptian Army have yet again overthrown the government.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/egypt … 6673981680

i want to clarify something about this situation in egypt and the entire "arab spring." it's not so much about democracy as it is about food, water, gas and other basic commodities. most people, especially in a region where poverty is widespread, don't care about notions like democracy and constitutional legitimacy. they want to live peacefully and healthful. i can confidently say this applies to a large majority of people throughout the world.

Cybargs wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

i want to clarify something about this situation in egypt and the entire "arab spring." it's not so much about democracy as it is about food, water, gas and other basic commodities. most people, especially in a region where poverty is widespread, don't care about notions like democracy and constitutional legitimacy. they want to live peacefully and healthful. i can confidently say this applies to a large majority of people throughout the world.

i was just trying to look at the bright side

every riot/revolution in the world has more to do basic commodities than anything else

didnt zique post an article about the correlation between food prices and revolutions?

yeah it was a study by some think-tank. basically the 'arab spring' correlates exactly to the spike in this years' food price. i think it may even have something to do with the failure of a crop in america, believe it or not.