evieira, evolution doesn't stop if the weaker aren't eliminated.
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let's just hope shifty reads itJohnG@lt wrote:
tl;dr
Someone had to
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As with most scientific studies, I'd wait for several to confirm that it actually has a significant function. There are quite a few saying it has little to no use and even more showing that it has an overall negative effect. Also, an "intelligent designer" wouldnt make something that had a small function for 1% of life and then becomes a serious problem for the rest of life.SenorToenails wrote:
You'll find this article interesting... Apparently, it's useful...for a time.Winston_Churchill wrote:
or appendix? why do we even have it? it has a high likelihood of being infected and cause death and serves little to no purpose. before modern medicine it was literally a time bomb sitting inside of us, if there was a problem you died.
And doesnt that support evolution...? That natural selection acts on the population to remove negative aspects, therefore taking out the whole "not-so-intelligent designer" out of the equation. And it takes hundreds of thousands of years for something like that to happen, not likely we'd see something that significant happen anytime soonEVieira wrote:
Because of modern science, which has screwed up the evolutionary process. If people with appendicitis were left to die, like they should, eventually they're genes would leave the gene pool and babies would start being born without and appendix.Winston_Churchill wrote:
or appendix? why do we even have it? it has a high likelihood of being infected and cause death and serves little to no purpose. before modern medicine it was literally a time bomb sitting inside of us, if there was a problem you died.
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It's less tl;dr and more "I know this shit already" for the vast majority of people on bf2sdayarath wrote:
let's just hope shifty reads itJohnG@lt wrote:
tl;dr
Someone had to
Except for Shifty. They teach this shit at school, Shifty isn't being religious by saying stupid things, he's just being a dumbass, and if he never bothered to learn it at school because it conflicts with his own views, then he's an ignorant dumbass.
dunno what they teach in the US, post was meant for him anyway.Mekstizzle wrote:
It's less tl;dr and more "I know this shit already" for the vast majority of people on bf2s
Except for Shifty. They teach this shit at school, Shifty isn't being religious by saying stupid things, he's just being a dumbass, and if he never bothered to learn it at school because it conflicts with his own views, then he's an ignorant dumbass.
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It really sounds like this person is linking appendicitis to some genetic cause. Having an appendix does not guarantee appendicitis, but it is true that one needs to have an appendix to get the condition. But that brings me to my next point--the incidence of appecidicitis is only 1 in 400. That's hardly a 'selection force' selecting against having an appendix.JohnG@lt wrote:
He's borrowing heavily from the dark side of eugenics but the logic is pretty sound.SenorToenails wrote:
Ridiculous.EVieira wrote:
Because of modern science, which has screwed up the evolutionary process. If people with appendicitis were left to die, like they should, eventually they're genes would leave the gene pool and babies would start being born without and appendix.
Of course, for this evolutionary stage to occur, there must be a genetic mutation that completely removes the appendix which would also provide a significant boost to survivability for it to become the norm (and with a 1 in 400 incidence rate, and I don't know what the lethality is if untreated, but you can see where I'm going). I'm not saying it can't happen, but as worded, it's ridiculous. More likely would be a genetic 'resistance' to inflammation of the appendix. Less prone to blockage, better immune system, etc... are far more probable than removing an organ structure entirely. That's assuming appendicitis were some significant selection force.
Edit: I guess I should say I'm thinking on timescales based on how long man has existed so far.
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How is a completely random system of pure chance in any way a control system? Randomness is not control, it's the complete opposite.Stingray24 wrote:
Ok, so for the sake of argument "destiny" is poor choice of words in the evolutionary cycle. However, there is an end result not governed by the individual, but by the evolutionary system, yes?JohnG@lt wrote:
No. There is no destiny. There is no fate. Mutations occur randomly due to radiation exposure and other causes. They are not predestined to occur. Now, like I said, feel free to chalk those mutations up to the will of your god. At least then you'll be halfway correct instead of wholly wrong.Stingray24 wrote:
The system determines our destiny in evolution, yes? We are merely grains of sand in the cosmos etc etc
The big bang was propsed by a catholic priest.Winston_Churchill wrote:
didnt the pope say that the big bang theory happened? only that god was behind it or something...
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kmar i know you're pretty into your space shit but this is honestly one of the dumbest fucking threads i have encountered in D&ST
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I did not know that!Kmar wrote:
The big bang was propsed by a catholic priest.Winston_Churchill wrote:
didnt the pope say that the big bang theory happened? only that god was behind it or something...
Georges Lemaitre proposed the hypothesis of the primeval atom back in the 1920's.
You realise that the Bible states God said let there be light after he had created the Heavens and the Earth?EVieira wrote:
They aren't antagonists. The big bang does not disprove God. Its just that when he said "And let there the light" and hit the switch, there was a really big bang.AussieReaper wrote:
I know where I'd place my $EVieira wrote:
That's about as hard to prove as the existence of God. Maybe even harder...
Why is it Atheists know more about the Bible. ffs
Yes...Kmar wrote:
The big bang was propsed by a catholic priest.Winston_Churchill wrote:
didnt the pope say that the big bang theory happened? only that god was behind it or something...
...proposed to altar boys
who cares its just a storyAussieReaper wrote:
You realise that the Bible states God said let there be light after he had created the Heavens and the Earth?EVieira wrote:
They aren't antagonists. The big bang does not disprove God. Its just that when he said "And let there the light" and hit the switch, there was a really big bang.AussieReaper wrote:
I know where I'd place my $
Why is it Atheists know more about the Bible. ffs
That just means we can explain the "flaws" because God did it in the dark.AussieReaper wrote:
You realise that the Bible states God said let there be light after he had created the Heavens and the Earth?EVieira wrote:
They aren't antagonists. The big bang does not disprove God. Its just that when he said "And let there the light" and hit the switch, there was a really big bang.AussieReaper wrote:
I know where I'd place my $
Why is it Atheists know more about the Bible. ffs
If you would study the book of Genesis you might figure that out. Man fked that up, not God. If you'll look into it you'll also find out why man could live so long, why there's several continents instead of a Pangaea, and just generally why Earth is the way it is.AussieReaper wrote:
If God created the world for humans, why is it that of all the water on Earth, 70% is salt water?-Sh1fty- wrote:
I still haven't seen anything in the Bible, other than the concept of God, "Proven" false. Everything just connects! There are so many explanations for the reason the Earth is the way it is now in the Bible.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
This isn't the post Ted was talking about.-Sh1fty- wrote:
If you would study the book of Genesis you might figure that out. Man fked that up, not God. If you'll look into it you'll also find out why man could live so long, why there's several continents instead of a Pangaea, and just generally why Earth is the way it is.AussieReaper wrote:
If God created the world for humans, why is it that of all the water on Earth, 70% is salt water?-Sh1fty- wrote:
I still haven't seen anything in the Bible, other than the concept of God, "Proven" false. Everything just connects! There are so many explanations for the reason the Earth is the way it is now in the Bible.
Lemaitre was a physicist first and priest second it should be said. One of a few outstanding physicists running around in the first half of last century.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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~ Richard Feynman
Nice to see somebody debate in a civil manner.EVieira wrote:
Shifty is right on this point. Science is completely stumped as to what happened before the big bang. We are supposed to accept that there is no "before" the big bang, because theoretically time didn't exist before the big bang. That's about as hard to prove as the existence of God. Maybe even harder...-Sh1fty- wrote:
No but seriously, I don't understand how a bing bang makes sense. "So first, we had nothing and that nothing MAGICALLY evolved from a little cell to 6 billion humans, a motherfreaking huge earth with diverse and complex ecosystems and weather.
All this from nothing...
sure
From a non-religious point of view, it makes more sense that it was somehow created by somebody or something than it just magically materializing.
lol nothing -> something
makes perfect sense
Wish ya'll could be like him.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Plate tectonics-Sh1fty- wrote:
why there's several continents instead of a Pangaea
AussieReaper wrote:
This isn't the post Ted was talking about.-Sh1fty- wrote:
If you would study the book of Genesis you might figure that out. Man fked that up, not God. If you'll look into it you'll also find out why man could live so long, why there's several continents instead of a Pangaea, and just generally why Earth is the way it is.AussieReaper wrote:
If God created the world for humans, why is it that of all the water on Earth, 70% is salt water?
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Source your material are we will debate better.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Nice to see somebody debate in a civil manner.EVieira wrote:
Shifty is right on this point. Science is completely stumped as to what happened before the big bang. We are supposed to accept that there is no "before" the big bang, because theoretically time didn't exist before the big bang. That's about as hard to prove as the existence of God. Maybe even harder...-Sh1fty- wrote:
No but seriously, I don't understand how a bing bang makes sense. "So first, we had nothing and that nothing MAGICALLY evolved from a little cell to 6 billion humans, a motherfreaking huge earth with diverse and complex ecosystems and weather.
All this from nothing...
sure
From a non-religious point of view, it makes more sense that it was somehow created by somebody or something than it just magically materializing.
lol nothing -> something
makes perfect sense
Wish ya'll could be like him.
Please note "The Bible" is not a source. Fictional materials may not be used as evidence.
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It's all part of Gods plan. He works in mysterious ways.11 Bravo wrote:
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you are god apprently because you can run around here and nothing happens to you. i bow to you.AussieReaper wrote:
It's all part of Gods plan. He works in mysterious ways.11 Bravo wrote:
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You don't know if it's fictional or not. You assume it is fictional.AussieReaper wrote:
Source your material are we will debate better.
Please note "The Bible" is not a source. Fictional materials may not be used as evidence.
Well here's the thing guys, tonight I have Bible study so you can expect a veryyyyyy long reply to dayarath's TL:DR text (No, I did read it).
So get some popcorn.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.