BF2S Forums Could Extraterrestrial Intelligence Sway Religious Beliefs?

What the hell hunter, I've read all past 7 posts of you in this thread and I have NO idea of what you're trying to say. Anyway I'll respond to what I do understand;

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

people have been burned at the stake for refusing to deny their faith, Do you relay think you can change some ones mind here ? Using butter knife wit and Geometric Logic. Save your breath and do something worth while with your time.

Well I'm not exactly burning them at the stake, just flinging as much information as humanly possible in the general direction of our resident evolution deniers. I cannot for the life of me understand someone who does not acknowledge the merits of the theory scratch that, confident enough to call it a fact, it just has to be so that they haven't been properly acquainted with evolution or something.

Either way if they keep denying in the face of overwhelming evidence that's simply an insult to their own reason and integrity, if they had any.

Last edited by dayarath (2011-01-27 16:24:32)

some intellect would go far first eh

why do atheists feel they can try to argue religion when they obviously don't understand it in the first place?

HaiBai wrote:

why do atheists feel they can try to argue religion when they obviously don't understand it in the first place?

That logic could be applied to the various Christians/Mooslims/Jews/Hindus and other religions that don't understand science.

HaiBai wrote:

why do atheists feel they can try to argue religion when they obviously don't understand it in the first place?

Ban stem cell research!

Wait, what?

Ban abortions!

Wait, what?

AussieReaper wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

why do atheists feel they can try to argue religion when they obviously don't understand it in the first place?

Ban stem cell research!

Wait, what?

Ban abortions!

Wait, what?

Zing.

no i understand it....and thats why i am an atheist

HaiBai wrote:

whatever you say, but if you do understand it, it means you understand why you can't argue with someone who do has their faith, because it's pointless and you'll never win.

i can argue because i know the world would be better without religion therefore i would be remiss not to argue

HaiBai wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

why do atheists feel they can try to argue religion when they obviously don't understand it in the first place?

You kind of sound like this guy...
http://www.schoolofabraham.com/tastedsalt.htm

he's pretty much right

No, he's ridiculous.  Are you earnestly saying that faith is something that only the 'initiated' can understand?  If you limit your debate to those who already agree with you, that isn't much of a debate, is it? 

I'm not belittling anyone's faith.  I'm an agnostic, but as a scientist, I get riled up when people try to overshadow scientific principles with hardcore religious doctrine that is obviously false.  I do not need to be faithful to those premises in order to argue against them.

dayarath wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

You kind of sound like this guy...
http://www.schoolofabraham.com/tastedsalt.htm

he's pretty much right

While that is a good argument to pretty much end any discussion questioning faith alone

It'll end a discussion, but not in any real meaningful way.

11 Bravo wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

whatever you say, but if you do understand it, it means you understand why you can't argue with someone who do has their faith, because it's pointless and you'll never win.

i can argue because i know the world would be better without religion therefore i would be remiss not to argue

correction; the world would be better if everyone was religious.  and i mean truly religious.

no killing, no stealing, no adultery, no wars...  sounds pretty good to me.

Poseidon wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

whatever you say, but if you do understand it, it means you understand why you can't argue with someone who do has their faith, because it's pointless and you'll never win.

That's really dumb. That's like saying you should never debate anything because people have their mind set on a specific belief. And thus this section and debating as a whole would be non-existant.

you can't debate it, because that's what faith is.  if you could give proven, factual reasons as to why someone should be faithful, it wouldn't be faith anymore.  however, someone can still give proven, factual reasons for why you shouldn't be faithful.  the non-believer will always win.

SenorToenails wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

You kind of sound like this guy...
http://www.schoolofabraham.com/tastedsalt.htm

he's pretty much right

No, he's ridiculous.  Are you earnestly saying that faith is something that only the 'initiated' can understand?  If you limit your debate to those who already agree with you, that isn't much of a debate, is it? 

I'm not belittling anyone's faith.  I'm an agnostic, but as a scientist, I get riled up when people try to overshadow scientific principles with hardcore religious doctrine that is obviously false.  I do not need to be faithful to those premises in order to argue against them.

a debate on religion is basically impossible.

dayarath wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

You kind of sound like this guy...
http://www.schoolofabraham.com/tastedsalt.htm

he's pretty much right

While that is a good argument to pretty much end any discussion questioning faith alone, it doesn't account for the organized religion he's part of, complete with holy book, traditions and doctrine.

My problem isn't specifically with people believing in a god - theists - but the entire story people have built around the concept. the various versions of the Bible, the Quran... anything - there's plenty of arguments to question those.

the Bible is not a work of science, it is a book of love to his people, which demonstrates morals and some other stuff.  what is there to question?

Last edited by HaiBai (2011-01-27 17:26:04)

11 Bravo wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

correction; the world would be better if everyone was religious.  and i mean truly religious.

no killing, no stealing, no adultery, no wars...  sounds pretty good to me.

what world do you live in?

obviously, in a world where everyone isn't truly religious.  all these wars 'caused' by religion, weren't caused by religion, because if the groups of people in those wars actually followed their own religion, they would realize that what they are doing is against their own religion.

HaiBai wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

correction; the world would be better if everyone was religious.  and i mean truly religious.

no killing, no stealing, no adultery, no wars...  sounds pretty good to me.

what world do you live in?

obviously, in a world where everyone isn't truly religious.  all these wars 'caused' by religion, weren't caused by religion, because if the groups of people in those wars actually followed their own religion, they would realize that what they are doing is against their own religion.

have you read the bible?