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There is no more point in arguing with that nonsense than there is trying to argue the Westborough Baptist church are the only true Christians.

Oberman. er. never mind.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

There is no more point in arguing with that nonsense than there is trying to argue the Westborough Baptist church are the only true Christians.

In fact Dilbert, I was going to quote you directly form a post you made in the DST forum is going to shit thread, you commented that we should all discredit the information and not the source itself? Woulds linked it but the thread disappeared. Do you remember saying that? How about you show us how it is done?

I'll disprove the information on the islamwatch website if you prove to me the stuff the westborough baptist church publishes is rubbish.

Both would be a waste of effort, I can't be bothered.

you are supposed to be proving all the nasty things  I have said about ALL MUSLIMS..your plate is already full.

WHat the westborough baptist church publishes is opinion. nothing more. What the anti Islamic websites publish is not. Every bit of info is sourced. go read.

I love the " I'm to tired "-" I can't be bothered " or " I've just done my nails " etc, defence.
Unfortunately we are starting to see a lot of it.
Most of these people don't come equipped with their own thoughts, observations and opinions.

Back on topic NPR is pretty left and easy to pick up. They have some good stuff on too.

Dilbert_X wrote:

But the Westborough Baptist Church does have a source, the bible, QED.

Well you quote me the bible where it says "god kills soldiers as punishment for being gay", and I will concede.

Also while you are at it, tell me how many terrorist bombings they have detonate and people they have killed.

I mean if you really wanna compare, then compare.

presidentsheep wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But the Westborough Baptist Church does have a source, the bible, QED.

Well you quote me the bible where it says "god kills soldiers as punishment for being gay", and I will concede.

Also while you are at it, tell me how many terrorist bombings they have detonate and people they have killed.

I mean if you really wanna compare, then compare.

Not that I want to get pulled into another wonderfully informative religious debate but god isn't too keen on gays... The guy wiped out whole cities because of it.
(according to the bible)

yeah, says who?

because depending on who you talk to, God hate just about everyone.

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presidentsheep wrote:

lowing wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

Not that I want to get pulled into another wonderfully informative religious debate but god isn't too keen on gays... The guy wiped out whole cities because of it.
(according to the bible)

yeah, says who?

because depending on who you talk to, God hate just about everyone.

No, god definitely hates gays. No matter how you interpret it...
Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis are probably the best examples. Anti-homosexual views are fairly constant in the bible, new and old testaments.

and that whole do not pass judgement and whoever is without sin cast the first stone thing......all that pretty much out the window?

Lets face it, man invented God in HIS image thus God hates everything man hates, and all of that hate depends on who you ask.

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But the Westborough Baptist Church does have a source, the bible, QED.

Well you quote me the bible where it says "god kills soldiers as punishment for being gay", and I will concede.

Also while you are at it, tell me how many terrorist bombings they have detonate and people they have killed.

I mean if you really wanna compare, then compare.

According to the bible it is a requirement that  all gays be stoned to death.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.(Leviticus 18:22 KJV)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

I think that pretty much covers gays soldiers.


As for how many bombs the christians have set off and how many they have killed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisiona … %80%931997

You'll see that white christians have planted more bombs in the UK and killed more people than brown muslims have.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

But the Westborough Baptist Church does have a source, the bible, QED.

Well you quote me the bible where it says "god kills soldiers as punishment for being gay", and I will concede.

Also while you are at it, tell me how many terrorist bombings they have detonate and people they have killed.

I mean if you really wanna compare, then compare.

According to the bible it is a requirement that  all gays be stoned to death.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.(Leviticus 18:22 KJV)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

I think that pretty much covers gays soldiers.


As for how many bombs the christians have set off and how many they have killed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisiona … %80%931997

You'll see that white christians have planted more bombs in the UK and killed more people than brown muslims have.

Ok well where to start.

You specifically mentioned the WBC as your argument. The WBC holds up signs in protest saying " Thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates fags". This is in reference to their belief that god is punishing the US for its immorality. YOU are referencing bible quotes that refer to killing homosexuals, NOT the straight guy next to them. WBC protests all soldiers funerals, not gay ones.

secondly, The conflicts in Ireland were politically motivated NOT religiously motivated. So no one planted a bomb citing religious scruples.

thirdly, Again you reference the WBC as your argument, now again, how many WBC members killed people or blew up anything?

lastly, how can you compare an anti-Islamic terrorist website, that sources actual news events, and the WBC which is making the news.

religionforpeace.com does not go out and create the stories it references, it passes the events on to the readers. Now if you want to call them liars, by all means do so, but if you do that, can you please show where the stories the source are wrong? IE the latest bombing in Russia, it was categorized on that website, now tell me how they are lying.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I didn't make any specific argument about WBC, except to say the're nutballs and there's no point in getting into specific arguments about them any more than there is any point in getting into the specifics of the neo-Nazi site you keep posting.

lowing wrote:

Very weak in that wasn't done in the name of Christianity

You really should read up on Northern Ireland, then maybe you'd have a clue.

Tell ya what Dilbert, why don't you go back to the beginning read what I posted, then read your responses to those posts,  and see if you can come to grips with what you are trying to argue about, then see if you want to stick with this latest response.

Also, do me a favor, if you wanna debate or argue, then please bring something more to the table other than just telling me I am wrong.  Try that FOR ONCE, and see if we can make this interesting. source your reasoning for your opinions or something.

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you come up with something more interesting than 'mooslums r evil this cool website sez so' then I'll be happy to do so.

Otherwise please explain why US soldiers shouldn't die and burn in hell, because I've found a cool website which says they should.

Because the anti Islamic terrorist websites posts facts about their actions. If you do not like the facts on the site or think they are lying about those facts,  like if you think the Moscow bombing didn't really happen then argue against it.

As it is all you are doing is hating the site because it has the nerve to bring to light what is IN FACT being done in the name of Islam.

By the way, I already challenged you to produce something that says I said "mooslims r evil" you have failed. You have tried so hard to, KNOWINGLY taking thinks out of context, that didn't make your case, but you try and pass them off anyway, KNOWINGLY settle for a sentence that contains  the word "muslims" and "all" but still does not make your case. So please either back up your accusations or find a more substantiated argument, ya know, one you can actually back up with fact.
now go back and re-read the arguments I have made, your responses, and se if any of what you said is relevant to my argument.

Beduin wrote:

Just out of curiosity, have you read the bible, lowing? Not only some of it, but the whole bible?

I have not read it from cover to cover no. I tried a few years back but the OT got so boring I stopped, and went to the NT. DO I have it memorized, no, am I an expert no. Did I comprehend all of the material no, did my mind drift, yes. Does it matter, no. What does matter are the actions of individuals, and their reasoning for their actions. This is what I judge and form opinions referencing accepted social, behavior, and morality. My opinions have nothing to do with what the bible or the Koran says.

If a Muslims blows up a school full of children and cites Muhammad and Islam for his reasoning, I take him for his word, and come to the conclusion that Muhammad and the Koran might be fucked up. When it happens on a daily basis somewhere in the world, I come to the conclusion that Muhammad and the Koran are definitely fucked up along with the assholes that commit the crimes. When I read shit about honor killings and the abuse that is accepted in some Islamic nations, I judge that behavior using my on morality as a yard stick,and come to the conclusion that that accepted behavior in that Islamic country is fucked up.