It doesn't have to be like that. We can start by phasing out SS and Medicare. Those fuckers won't suck us dry anymore once that shit is gone.JohnG@lt wrote:
Humans do not plan long term. It's just not in our DNA. Sure, we might plan for our own retirement, but in fifty years, the people in charge now, the Baby Boomers, they'll all be dead. Do you really think they care about leaving a mess behind? Of course not. They spend all their time bitching about taxes while we have a ridiculous national debt to pay off and they're about to saunter off into retirement leaving people like me holding the bag.
You can't pull the rug out from under them when they've paid into the system for the past 40-50 years :p That would make them slaves.Turquoise wrote:
It doesn't have to be like that. We can start by phasing out SS and Medicare. Those fuckers won't suck us dry anymore once that shit is gone.JohnG@lt wrote:
Humans do not plan long term. It's just not in our DNA. Sure, we might plan for our own retirement, but in fifty years, the people in charge now, the Baby Boomers, they'll all be dead. Do you really think they care about leaving a mess behind? Of course not. They spend all their time bitching about taxes while we have a ridiculous national debt to pay off and they're about to saunter off into retirement leaving people like me holding the bag.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And under our current arrangement, we're the slaves. We're paying into a system that won't exist when we get old. It's fuck them or fuck us. I say fuck them for not paying enough taxes to keep the system running properly.JohnG@lt wrote:
You can't pull the rug out from under them when they've paid into the system for the past 40-50 years :p That would make them slaves.Turquoise wrote:
It doesn't have to be like that. We can start by phasing out SS and Medicare. Those fuckers won't suck us dry anymore once that shit is gone.JohnG@lt wrote:
Humans do not plan long term. It's just not in our DNA. Sure, we might plan for our own retirement, but in fifty years, the people in charge now, the Baby Boomers, they'll all be dead. Do you really think they care about leaving a mess behind? Of course not. They spend all their time bitching about taxes while we have a ridiculous national debt to pay off and they're about to saunter off into retirement leaving people like me holding the bag.
They outnumber us Democracy in action.Turquoise wrote:
And under our current arrangement, we're the slaves. We're paying into a system that won't exist when we get old. It's fuck them or fuck us. I say fuck them for not paying enough taxes to keep the system running properly.JohnG@lt wrote:
You can't pull the rug out from under them when they've paid into the system for the past 40-50 years :p That would make them slaves.Turquoise wrote:
It doesn't have to be like that. We can start by phasing out SS and Medicare. Those fuckers won't suck us dry anymore once that shit is gone.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
They won't if we play our cards right. There is no such thing as a bloodless revolution.JohnG@lt wrote:
They outnumber us Democracy in action.Turquoise wrote:
And under our current arrangement, we're the slaves. We're paying into a system that won't exist when we get old. It's fuck them or fuck us. I say fuck them for not paying enough taxes to keep the system running properly.JohnG@lt wrote:
You can't pull the rug out from under them when they've paid into the system for the past 40-50 years :p That would make them slaves.
Go start it. I'll be right behind you.Turquoise wrote:
They won't if we play our cards right. There is no such thing as a bloodless revolution.JohnG@lt wrote:
They outnumber us Democracy in action.Turquoise wrote:
And under our current arrangement, we're the slaves. We're paying into a system that won't exist when we get old. It's fuck them or fuck us. I say fuck them for not paying enough taxes to keep the system running properly.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
roflmaoUnkleRukus wrote:
Yes I have, Water is freezing, why would you swim in it.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
been to maine ?UnkleRukus wrote:
You're pretty dumb, who the fuck is going to go to the ocean and swim when the so called "beach" is underwater and all that is left is a rocky coastline.
If people can't comfortably settle with a single interpretation it's best to keep looking for more data and better ways of analyzing it. An increasing body of observations allows for more accuracy / ease in defining a phenomena.Kmar wrote:
We actually have plenty of data. Argue against the interpretation or manipulation of it if you like, but not it's existence.
Next to that the science of investigating the entire global weather system is still relatively new; there's still lots and lots of work that needs to be done.
Whatever the cause may be, damage control and formulating a plan to counteract it's consequences are never out of the question. Once a definite cause can be confirmed it will be infinitely easier to take action. F.ex. if, as you mentioned, the entire solar system is warming up -and this would be confirmed- it'd be more efficient to subsidize and invest in water dams & hydropower systems than wind energy.Kmar wrote:
You pinpoint only the things that are controllable (if any at all).
inane little opines
If you think I was advocating to stop collecting data I wasn't. That is something we should never do. However, there is plenty of data that points to the signs of global warming. As far as people completely settling on one interpretation of the data, keep dreaming. Some have too much to lose with the acknowledgment, no matter what the data indicates.dayarath wrote:
If people can't comfortably settle with a single interpretation it's best to keep looking for more data and better ways of analyzing it. An increasing body of observations allows for more accuracy / ease in defining a phenomena.Kmar wrote:
We actually have plenty of data. Argue against the interpretation or manipulation of it if you like, but not it's existence.
Next to that the science of investigating the entire global weather system is still relatively new; there's still lots and lots of work that needs to be done.
Yes, the science of global climate is relatively new. However, there is not a compelling reason to not consider and pursue renewable energy resources .. even if you completely remove the thought of global warming. The fact that the majority of scientist just so happen to agree with the man-made climate interpretation is just one cause for a transition to renewable energy. I believe this is what -CARNIFEX-[LOC] was talking about.
Right. .. although it is reasonable to think that by the time a consensus is reached (if ever) we would have already passed the boiling point.Whatever the cause may be, damage control and formulating a plan to counteract it's consequences are never out of the question. Once a definite cause can be confirmed it will be infinitely easier to take action. F.ex. if, as you mentioned, the entire solar system is warming up -and this would be confirmed- it'd be more efficient to subsidize and invest in water dams & hydropower systems than wind energy.Kmar wrote:
You pinpoint only the things that are controllable (if any at all).
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Took til post 92 for someone to notice the obvious benefit: sleeping in the nude!Pug wrote:
Benefits of a warmer earth:
Less clothes
we have strayed a lot but...ty
Don't need a warmer earth for that one.Stingray24 wrote:
Took til post 92 for someone to notice the obvious benefit: sleeping in the nude!Pug wrote:
Benefits of a warmer earth:
Less clothes
think about the POLAR BEARS!!
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ … 2010-12-09
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ … 2010-12-09
Polar bears (Ursus maritimus) got a long-awaited boost on November 23 when the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) finally designated more than 485,000 square kilometers of "critical habitat" for the species, which is listed as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The critical habitat was first proposed in October 2009, and a ruling was due this past June 30, but the FWS obviously did not make that date. The habitat was also reduced by about 33,500 square kilometers from what was originally planned (pdf) to "accurately reflect the U.S. boundary" as well as exempt five U.S. Air Force bases and several native communities.
to be fair that's easy for us to say here with 25-35C temps... not minus ten.DrunkFace wrote:
Don't need a warmer earth for that one.Stingray24 wrote:
Took til post 92 for someone to notice the obvious benefit: sleeping in the nude!Pug wrote:
Benefits of a warmer earth:
Less clothes
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I loved it too, A cartoon ! lol, the sad part is that it reaches its intended audience with effectiveness.
You have to give them credit for knowing who to target and how.
off topic however
You have to give them credit for knowing who to target and how.
off topic however
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In summary the comic states: "anyone who denies climate change are either right wing nutjobs or funded by large oil dependant companies". I don't deny climate change, but that's a pretty absurd thing to say. Out of the poll he quotes there are atleast 5 scientists out of a group of the "200 prominent ones" who deny the whole thing.
Beyond that I don't really feel that it's a good idea to base a part of the proof on opinion polls, even if they're scientists.
In conclusion he paints some sort of apocalyptic doom scenario - now this is the thing that bothers me the most about the people that are advocating global (manmade) warming. The assumption that such things are extremely imminent and unstoppable. For the amazon to disappear, if that is even possible, you'd need centuries of continouos warming in the same upward trend.
By assuming that the process is unstoppable it states that by the time there are real, physical noticeable changes that affect human life directly, we would stay put and not do anything about it. Or, as many say, that by that time it's already "too late". That is an extreme exxagaration - climate change is a slow, gradual process. It doesn't go and disrupt life in a single day - it takes decades, even centuries to have any lasting effects. While when the situation demands it, people are capable of implementing ways to avert crisis in just a few years at most.
inane little opines
but come on, it's truedayarath wrote:
In summary the comic states: "anyone who denies climate change are either right wing nutjobs or funded by large oil dependant companies"
In terms of the outright deniers, there's little else but that
last I checked I didn't work for an oil company, Its just that Ive been through so many of theese " END of the World " things. A "denier" in your own right it seems
and still of topic, there are so many " OMG - Global ~ I mean Climate change ! " Posts.... take it there
and still of topic, there are so many " OMG - Global ~ I mean Climate change ! " Posts.... take it there
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Less snowfall...
Oh wai-
Oh wai-
In general, humans tend to neglect shit until it gets bad enough that people die and such. That's not a far-fetched assumption at all.dayarath wrote:
By assuming that the process is unstoppable it states that by the time there are real, physical noticeable changes that affect human life directly, we would stay put and not do anything about it. Or, as many say, that by that time it's already "too late". That is an extreme exxagaration - climate change is a slow, gradual process. It doesn't go and disrupt life in a single day - it takes decades, even centuries to have any lasting effects. While when the situation demands it, people are capable of implementing ways to avert crisis in just a few years at most.
You kind of resolved your own dilemma though. The science behind climate change does not suggest that things will happen quickly; it's more a matter of momentum. Changes in underwater thermal currents due to the melting of ice caps lead to cumulative changes in temperature. The average annual temperature of the planet is rising, and some dramatic changes are occurring over time like with drought patterns in Africa.
To truly comprehend climate change, it can't be viewed in the context of "The Day After Tomorrow". It's an aggregate change over time that can lead to extremes in weather -- both hot and cold.
It's hard not to suspect that a certain amount of opposition to climate change concepts is simply willful ignorance. I'm not saying you're like this, but there are certainly some people that fit this description.
20 years isn't that long.dayarath wrote:
By assuming that the process is unstoppable it states that by the time there are real, physical noticeable changes that affect human life directly, we would stay put and not do anything about it. Or, as many say, that by that time it's already "too late". That is an extreme exxagaration - climate change is a slow, gradual process. It doesn't go and disrupt life in a single day - it takes decades, even centuries to have any lasting effects. While when the situation demands it, people are capable of implementing ways to avert crisis in just a few years at most.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman