BF2S Forums International Posters -- How Much Do You Blame Your Leaders?

Naw in Taiwan they blame the pres if some kid on the street dies.

In aus our own politcal party backstabs

i have the impression that in germany, people like to blame the different ministers for the diverse problems of the country

health care system sucks in your opinion? blame the health minister

etc

Dilbert_X wrote:

Most countries have democratic systems where the head of state doesn't really have any real power, veto, 'signing statements' etc..

This. People here blame the ministries and the prime minister for everything, not always without a reason.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Most countries have democratic systems where the head of state doesn't really have any real power, veto, 'signing statements' etc.

the head of state in germany has no real power

the head of the government, however, has a lot of power and the authority within the federal government (guideline competence), so he/she/it should be blamed for a bad policy

Ya, in Norway the blame is pretty much always directed at the political party(ies) in charge, and not the actual prime minister.

However, the minister is obviously an image of the party, and will get attacked especially from parties in opposition, but the critique is generally always rooted in the ideas of the party, rather than the person leading it. As a consequence, I'd say being a charismatic, well-spoken 'leader' (e.g. Obama) isn't as important here as it is in the US. We generally vote for the party and its ideas, not the person.

As for polarity, we're all pretty much socialist so even though the parties like to say they're very different, they really aren't.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Most countries have democratic systems where the head of state doesn't really have any real power, veto, 'signing statements' etc.
If things go wrong its the responsibility of the whole government.
Ministers who fail or are dishonest are usually held to account, not given medals.

After eight years of Bush its reasonable to blame hime for a lot of things, things he specifically did, things he specifically decided to ignore, things he lied about.

Shows how little those outside the US (and some inside the US) understand how the US government operates.

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Most countries have democratic systems where the head of state doesn't really have any real power, veto, 'signing statements' etc.
If things go wrong its the responsibility of the whole government.
Ministers who fail or are dishonest are usually held to account, not given medals.

After eight years of Bush its reasonable to blame hime for a lot of things, things he specifically did, things he specifically decided to ignore, things he lied about.

Shows how little those outside the US (and some inside the US) understand how the US government operates.

ignore trollbert.

The head of state represents the politics aka he is accountable for the faults ... blame the system, blame the government, blame the people that accept the system or elected the government ...

Like Jens mentioned in Norway we rather blame the execution and implementation of politics by the different parties rather than the prime minister ...

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I've been thinking about this for a while now, but ever since the second Bush entered the presidency, there seems to be a heightened amount of blaming the president for everything in America.

I noticed that with Clinton as well. I don't think it's anything new.

People did blame Clinton for a lot, but it just seemed even more extreme with Bush.

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I've been thinking about this for a while now, but ever since the second Bush entered the presidency, there seems to be a heightened amount of blaming the president for everything in America.

I noticed that with Clinton as well. I don't think it's anything new.

People did blame Clinton for a lot, but it just seemed even more extreme with Bush.

The media has changed and lost its objectivity. It is in an exponential decay function.

Not much at all, not least because there's basically nothing to blame them about.

I kid you not  when I say two of the biggest election issues a few months ago was a mishandled home insulation scheme which had been badly regulated (home insulation ffs!) and a couple of overbudget school halls. Oh, and our debt, which stands at like 5% of  GDP.

We can't blame the pres for anything, because she has really no power. The Prime and Financial Ministers are the head culprits behind everything that's wrong in this country right now.

The ministries themselves are not to blame, as they consist of experts that just do what they're told by the elected officials.

Our currently leading party (not the one I vote for) has been a huge disappointment, especially when it comes to Prime Ministers. They're on their third Prime right now (during two seasons), the first being thrown out after 68 days in office due to an Iraq-document scandal, her replacement was even re-elected, but after 7 years he retired because of what he claimed was medical reasons, but what actually was more probably comparable to Bill Clintonism. Now the third Prime is just a puppet. Our Minister of Finance is imho an opportunist with no actual interest towards the people, but rather himself and the companies that lobby him. He represents another party than the Prime. Actually, due to these two parties forming a coalition, the party in third place is making all the decisions, the winning party being led by the aforementioned puppet and the second ending up in the opposition (Social Democrats).