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unnamednewbie13
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They forgot to mention exposure levels to toxic chemicals on the left, vs on the right. Also body-wearing labor. Guy on the left could probably be quite active in his sixties. Guy on the right might be in a cancer ward or just have several herniated discs.

Whenever I see a meme like this, it's like they start to go in the right direction by saying trades are an ok career path, but then they try and reinforce that by shitting on people paying off college debt like they made a Stupid Decision as a matter of fact.

Who do you want as your lawyer in court? A carpenter by trade? Better call a plumber to do your surgery.

100% of the population can't be in the trades. It's impractical.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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I would bet the amount of lawyers who violently die on the job is much lower than linemen.
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Thinking over the whole student loan thing...can you imagine the blue collar salt that would be created if the government forgave the Federal student loan debt?
unnamednewbie13
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+1,915|5819|USA

Plenty of people in blue collar trades went to trade school for it. I'd imagine many'd be thrilled if their student loans went away.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I would bet the amount of lawyers who violently die on the job is much lower than linemen.
That is a terrible shame.
#FreeBritney
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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The share of people living in poverty in the United States fell to a record low last year as an enormous government relief effort helped offset the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression.

In the latest and most conclusive evidence that poverty fell because of government aid, the Census Bureau reported on Tuesday that 9.1 percent of Americans were poor last year, down from 11.8 percent in 2019. That figure — the lowest since records began in 1967, according to calculations from researchers at Columbia University — is based on a measure that accounts for the impact of government programs. The government’s official measure of poverty, which leaves out some major aid programs, rose to 11.4 percent.
That's a trip. We pulled more people out of poverty by giving them an extra $600 a week than we have ever been able to do.
unnamednewbie13
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+1,915|5819|USA

It should have been done much earlier when it became apparent that so many people were especially struggling financially due to the pandemic. Currently, rents and home prices are going up and up. What a disaster.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Getting deeper into the union cultism. Going to events, giving speeches, etc. Leadership program. Macbeth: Leader of Men.  Lol

Something I noticed: Today we had an event that was billed as a meeting to discuss evaluations. Anyhow the first half the event was the national union trying to pitch us a retirement plan. Finance guys in suits from the union came and explained why you should join the plans they have.

Anyhow I thought about this pitch and what it meant. The guys were wearing suits and seeking deductions from our paycheck. I can see how blue collar union workers can come to the conclusion something is rotten in unionism if guys in suits came into coal stained hovels and tried to pitch them to invest in the union retirement plan. I know it is mostly the blue collar people's fault for nursing inferiority complexes but if I noticed that it was a little tone deaf I can see other people taking it the wrong way.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Sleazebags see big pile of money and large group of suckers - what happens next?
#FreeBritney
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Yes, it also didn't help that the process was made super easy. You just had to electronically sign a paper and they will "handle the rest".

If you want to get people to want something you need to make it a little hard. That way people will think it is valuable. The catch 22 is that our union members are educated enough to do all of that paperwork in order to sign up for the retirement account program and understand the contours of it. Blue collar workers (beaver people) are probably significantly less likely to understand what an IRA is even if you had someone sit down and explain it to them.
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Meanwhile you would probably be able to get a good amount of beaver men to sign up for it if you made them pass a credit check and occasionally declined them. Maybe even make a show of singling out people to not be accepted.

Sorry, the retirement plan is not for you.
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This has some relevance to the vaccination drive. The vaccine shouldn't have been free. When is anything in America free? Of course people thought they were going to be infected with Epstein DNA. They should have had a vaccine for $5, $10, and $20. Make people fight for status symbols of having "the best vaccine". Make charities handle giving away $5 vaccines. Make a big show of "the drug companies ripped the government off. Sold $5 vaccines for $40 each."
uziq
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very good essay/overview of the role of traders, merchants and commodities brokers in geopolitics. including the obvious line about neo-colonialism and political influence by other, supposedly post-imperial, means.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n18 … o-get-rich

Traders and merchants have always, willingly or reluctantly, been used as the advance guard for powerful states. The World for Sale starts in 2011 with the late Ian Taylor, chief executive of Vitol, on board a private jet, heading to Benghazi in Libya. Vitol, the world’s largest oil trading company, had been asked by the government of Qatar to deliver diesel, gasoline and fuel oil to the rebels fighting Gaddafi. In lieu of cash payment, Taylor had arranged to receive a shipment of crude at the Egyptian terminus of a pipeline from the Libyan oilfields. Naturally, he had secured permission from the British government for the deal, along with a sanctions waiver from the US. Vitol was lubricating the war in Libya at the behest of foreign powers, but Taylor claimed his actions were not political. This seems to be the mantra of the titans of commodity trading interviewed by Javier Blas and Jack Farchy: ‘We are just here for the money; we are not doing politics.’ I suppose it all depends on what you take ‘politics’ to mean.

The origin myth of today’s commodity trades goes back to the era of decolonisation. But they can of course be traced further back, to the East India Company and other early merchant capitalist enterprises involved in the extraction of resources from the colonies. A starting point might be 1592, when traders from the Venice Company set up the Levant Company in London; Levant Company merchants helped found the East India Company seven years later. There are similar familial connections in the modern era: many commodity trading firms emerged from Philipp Brothers, which started as a scrap and ore dealer and became a global metals merchant in the 1960s. Philipp Brothers begat Marc Rich + Co, and Marc Rich + Co begat Glencore, and Trafigura, and so on.

They aren’t always happy families. Marc Rich was put on the FBI’s most wanted list in 1983, when a young US attorney for New York’s Southern District, Rudy Giuliani, charged him with 51 crimes including tax evasion, racketeering, conspiracy and ‘trading with the enemy’. The last charge was the final chapter in a long story. After the nationalisation of the Suez Canal in 1956 and the war waged by Israel and its allies against Egypt, the Israeli government decided to build a pipeline from Eilat on the Gulf of Aqaba in the south to Ashkelon on the Mediterranean coast in order to bypass the canal. The pipeline, a secret 50-50 joint venture with Iran, was financed by Deutsche Bank in a deal facilitated by the bank’s chairman, Hermann Abs, who had been in charge of the expropriation of Jewish property in Nazi Germany. It was Rich, still then with Philipp Brothers, who ensured the supply of oil to the pipeline, dispatching tankers to lift oil in Abadan, sail around the Arabian peninsula, and unload secretly in Eilat. From the late 1950s until the 1970s, Israel imported 90 per cent of its oil from Iran.

Rich left Philipp Brothers in 1974 and set up his own more aggressively risk-taking firm in Switzerland, continuing to provide Iranian oil to Israel even after the 1979 revolution. Ayatollah Khomeini seems to have been pragmatic about this trade with the Little Satan, just as he would be about the dubious trade in arms with the Great Satan a few years later, which became public as the Iran-Contra affair. In the US, however, Rich’s clandestine deal with Iran to provide oil for Israel was encouraged before the revolution but censured after it, leading to Giuliani’s attack on him. Rich’s mistake had been not to secure a sanctions waiver; Taylor did not make the same mistake thirty years later. Rich was eventually, and controversially, pardoned by Bill Clinton, apparently at the behest of Ehud Barak, partly on the grounds that he had helped provide Mossad with intelligence on Iran.

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