Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6274|Vortex Ring State
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018

I actually believe that this claim that this was made by a nation-state or large organization is true, because of the large use of zero-days and the specific target of the worm.

But the thing is that it failed...
iceman785
Member
+93|6947|Alaska, mother fucker.
Shit's crazy.  I wonder, since the virus plants itself into control systems that monitor stuff like coolants when something gets to hot, if they could use the virus to cause a nuclear meltdown of the plant in Iran.  Maybe cause a modern day Chernobyl.  Pretty amazing that something like that has been created, just gives you an idea of what's possible with enough funding and the right people.
Trotskygrad
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+354|6274|Vortex Ring State

iceman785 wrote:

Shit's crazy.  I wonder, since the virus plants itself into control systems that monitor stuff like coolants when something gets to hot, if they could use the virus to cause a nuclear meltdown of the plant in Iran.  Maybe cause a modern day Chernobyl.  Pretty amazing that something like that has been created, just gives you an idea of what's possible with enough funding and the right people.
yeah it is crazy, especially considering how WELL hidden it was
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6896|London, England
meh, I was reading this. BBC conveniantly puts the rebuttal right at the end after writing all that alarmist crap

A spokesperson for Siemens, the maker of the targeted systems, said it would not comment on "speculations about the target of the virus".

He said that Iran's nuclear power plant had been built with help from a Russian contractor and that Siemens was not involved.

"Siemens was neither involved in the reconstruction of Bushehr or any nuclear plant construction in Iran, nor delivered any software or control system," he said. "Siemens left the country nearly 30 years ago."

Siemens said that it was only aware of 15 infections that had made their way on to control systems in factories, mostly in Germany. Symantec's geographical analysis of the worm's spread also looked at infected PCs.

"There have been no instances where production operations have been influenced or where a plant has failed," the Siemens spokesperson said. "The virus has been removed in all the cases known to us."

He also said that according to global security standards, Microsoft software "may not be used to operate critical processes in plants".
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It's sophisticated in the sense of what it is and how it works, it's not sophisticated in the sense that it seems to need to use Microsoft or Windows and USB keys and targets Siemens software and all that shit.
Trotskygrad
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+354|6274|Vortex Ring State

Mekstizzle wrote:

meh, I was reading this. BBC conveniantly puts the rebuttal right at the end after writing all that alarmist crap

A spokesperson for Siemens, the maker of the targeted systems, said it would not comment on "speculations about the target of the virus".

He said that Iran's nuclear power plant had been built with help from a Russian contractor and that Siemens was not involved.

"Siemens was neither involved in the reconstruction of Bushehr or any nuclear plant construction in Iran, nor delivered any software or control system," he said. "Siemens left the country nearly 30 years ago."

Siemens said that it was only aware of 15 infections that had made their way on to control systems in factories, mostly in Germany. Symantec's geographical analysis of the worm's spread also looked at infected PCs.

"There have been no instances where production operations have been influenced or where a plant has failed," the Siemens spokesperson said. "The virus has been removed in all the cases known to us."

He also said that according to global security standards, Microsoft software "may not be used to operate critical processes in plants".
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It's sophisticated in the sense of what it is and how it works
yeah that's the important part.

the other things are just limitations that will be removed in the future.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6680|North Carolina
It's a good argument for moving away from PLCs and towards much more advanced industrial controls with better protection.
jord
Member
+2,382|6953|The North, beyond the wall.
I watched Swordfish and I still have no idea what's going on.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6274|Vortex Ring State
Apparently it managed to infect employees personal PCs. It only failed because Iran didn't boot up their reactor controller main OS yet...
CC-Marley
Member
+407|7103

Trotskygrad wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018

I actually believe that this claim that this was made by a nation-state or large organization is true, because of the large use of zero-days and the specific target of the worm.

But the thing is that it failed...
Would not say it's failed.  Seems to been a sucess for many. http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News … ?id=199475
'Stuxnet virus set back Iran...

Last edited by CC-Marley (2010-12-15 16:55:36)

HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5759|Bolingbrook, Illinois
"We can say that it must have taken several years to develop, and we arrived at this conclusion through code analysis, since the code on the control systems is 15,000 lines of code, and this is a huge amount," Langer said.

"This piece of evidence led us to conclude that this is not by a hacker," he continued. "It had to be a country, and we can also conclude that even one nation-state would not have been able to do this on its own."
lol what a load of shit.
mikkel
Member
+383|6876

HaiBai wrote:

"We can say that it must have taken several years to develop, and we arrived at this conclusion through code analysis, since the code on the control systems is 15,000 lines of code, and this is a huge amount," Langer said.

"This piece of evidence led us to conclude that this is not by a hacker," he continued. "It had to be a country, and we can also conclude that even one nation-state would not have been able to do this on its own."
lol what a load of shit.
Hahaha.

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