arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
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Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.eleven bravo wrote:
arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yeah those first examples are obvious ones hence the qualifier.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.Spark wrote:
DON'T SAY SUCH FOOLISH THINGS!JohnG@lt wrote:
They're all right of center. From an American perspective, he's a leftist, but only in comparison to his opposition. In comparison to leftist leaders around the world he's a moderate.
Out of interest who in the Western world qualifies as a left-of-centre leader? Because I can't think of any right now.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Sarkozy and Merkel... interesting. I don't really follow European politics at all, but I had them tagged as right-of-centre.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Well, like Obama is still right of center and considered a leftist, those two are still left of center but appear moderate in comparison to their countrymen.Spark wrote:
Yeah those first examples are obvious ones hence the qualifier.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.Spark wrote:
DON'T SAY SUCH FOOLISH THINGS!
Out of interest who in the Western world qualifies as a left-of-centre leader? Because I can't think of any right now.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Sarkozy and Merkel... interesting. I don't really follow European politics at all, but I had them tagged as right-of-centre.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Then again, the site seems to have a right leaning bias when ranking politicians...
There's no way in hell that most of those nations could be considered so far right unless the person ranking them was a Das Kapital wielding zealot.
There's no way in hell that most of those nations could be considered so far right unless the person ranking them was a Das Kapital wielding zealot.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Wasn't arguing to be fair, as that does make sense. It just didn't fit my preconceived notions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Well, like Obama is still right of center and considered a leftist, those two are still left of center but appear moderate in comparison to their countrymen.Spark wrote:
Yeah those first examples are obvious ones hence the qualifier.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Sarkozy and Merkel... interesting. I don't really follow European politics at all, but I had them tagged as right-of-centre.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Sarkozy is pretty right wing, actually. Even by American standards, he would be considered moderate, not left of center.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.Spark wrote:
DON'T SAY SUCH FOOLISH THINGS!JohnG@lt wrote:
They're all right of center. From an American perspective, he's a leftist, but only in comparison to his opposition. In comparison to leftist leaders around the world he's a moderate.
Out of interest who in the Western world qualifies as a left-of-centre leader? Because I can't think of any right now.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Merkel would be considered socially right of center but possibly left of center in economics by American standards.
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.eleven bravo wrote:
arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
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Agreed. One country's Conservative is another countries Liberal. Different standards with different histories.Turquoise wrote:
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.eleven bravo wrote:
arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
Also time is a factor, e.g., JFK would be considered a Conservative today even though he was a Democrat when he was alive.
Indeed. An interesting line (via the wikipedia article on the history pf the democratic party):Harmor wrote:
Agreed. One country's Conservative is another countries Liberal. Different standards with different histories.Turquoise wrote:
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.
Also time is a factor, e.g., JFK would be considered a Conservative today even though he was a Democrat when he was alive.
Two old words took on new meanings: "Liberal" now meant a supporter of the New Deal; "conservative" meant an opponent.
EE (hats
JFK was a tard. Period. The only thing that would make him 'conservative' was his penchant for interventionism. He gave us federal unions and affirmative action.Harmor wrote:
Agreed. One country's Conservative is another countries Liberal. Different standards with different histories.Turquoise wrote:
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.
Also time is a factor, e.g., JFK would be considered a Conservative today even though he was a Democrat when he was alive.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
and the peace corps
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Speaking of Dead Presidents did you know Nixon was the equivalent of a RINO today?
Lol denmark not socialist at all my ass.JohnG@lt wrote:
Then again, the site seems to have a right leaning bias when ranking politicians...
http://politicalcompass.org/images/eu2008.gif
There's no way in hell that most of those nations could be considered so far right unless the person ranking them was a Das Kapital wielding zealot.
don't forget lincoln. greatest rino evuh.Harmor wrote:
Speaking of Dead Presidents did you know Nixon was the equivalent of a RINO today?
I didn't think it came out of your butt with 8ravo n 8urns stuck so tight in there.JohnG@lt wrote:
What fucking source? It came out of my photobucket.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
It surprised me, I was almost dead center. I highly doubt it is the same test. I think b.o. would be an easy -9 -9 on the test I took here years back.Phrozenbot wrote:
Near Barry O? It must be killing you.
Still no source of graph ?you need to cite the source . . . . . or it is merely opinion. it's also a forum rule . . .
Seeing you have responded to one of my posts is like stumbling across a Texas Long Horn Steer out in the Brush. lol
What was the tests Source.were the parameters, questions etc, Was the test run by Harpers News Week ( pretty sure it wasn't the Heritage foundation )
b.o. is not right of center, unless you are a dolt you would never buy that placement.
God you are as f**IN dumb, narrow and minded as you are arrogant.
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True, I remember. It was long before Joe J@rk arrived. It cant possibly be the same test. Can we run that old test again ? It would be telling to say the least.Phrozenbot wrote:
I'm unsure of the source. There used to be a sticky here that had the members mapped out until the originator of the thread stopped updating it.