The point is there should be 14 million guns minimum lying around. Plus all those military outposts they past and they didn't stop to grab a beretta?RAIMIUS wrote:
Registration?Shifty wrote:
There are 14 million registered gun owners in the U.S. How are there not guns lying all over the place?
You amuse me.
This is the one time they may have had a chance. You could write it off as panic, that the explosion would draw zombies quick, or simply that common sense says the soilders would have used up most, if not all of the ammo while they were being over run. Scavenging would have taken time they didnt have and not much point in grabbing a bunch of rifles that you dont have ammo for and are unlikely to find any for.CapnNismo wrote:
I don't really understand why they didn't search that outpost around the CDC after it popped but I suppose panic had a lot to do with it.
You do realize pistols are louder than rifles most of the time right?-Sh1fty- wrote:
Even locking yourself in a HMMWV. Those things have very tough glass and they could easily plow down walkers.
Most soldiers don't carry handguns so I guess no point in looking. I'd never want to grab a rifle though. They're way too loud. heavy to lug around, and you only want to shoot walkers at close range that you've startled because at further ranges you can just sneak by.
Still the best genre of movie though.CapnNismo wrote:
This is the problem I have with zombie apocalypse movies, though: at the end of the day, the militaries of the word, with all their expensive hardware, can't repulse what is essentially a crowd of slow moving junkies with a biting problem?
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turret should still turn and from what I know of Abrams tanks, they run on damned near anythingiceman785 wrote:
I see a problem with that tank, that 1500HP Turbo diesel it runs off of. Out of gas? Then what?
Could be a problem if they are already infected from within.CapnNismo wrote:
This is the problem I have with zombie apocalypse movies, though: at the end of the day, the militaries of the word, with all their expensive hardware, can't repulse what is essentially a crowd of slow moving junkies with a biting problem?
Battery will drain fast without that motor running.CapnNismo wrote:
turret should still turn and from what I know of Abrams tanks, they run on damned near anythingiceman785 wrote:
I see a problem with that tank, that 1500HP Turbo diesel it runs off of. Out of gas? Then what?
The real problem with the whole genre is that the zombies would just rot and be unable to move after a few weeks.CapnNismo wrote:
This is the problem I have with zombie apocalypse movies, though: at the end of the day, the militaries of the word, with all their expensive hardware, can't repulse what is essentially a crowd of slow moving junkies with a biting problem?
The fresh dead, yes. But the George Romero Night embalmed varieties, as well as the chemically preserved Returned varieties, would last quite a long time. And who's to say if the virus/man-made varieties aren't "living" flesh, occassionally renewed when feeding.NooBesT wrote:
The real problem with the whole genre is that the zombies would just rot and be unable to move after a few weeks.CapnNismo wrote:
This is the problem I have with zombie apocalypse movies, though: at the end of the day, the militaries of the word, with all their expensive hardware, can't repulse what is essentially a crowd of slow moving junkies with a biting problem?
What is that supposed to mean?Nic wrote:
unless it was ground zero (I figure thats what the doctor whispered to him on the way out, and would explain the suicides a bit better.).
First off, the military does NOT have unlimited ammo, and most of the ammo they have is NOT stored in bases in the US. Furthermore, no army in the world trains it's standard infantry troops to make head shots, they shoot for 'center mass' - the torso. Also, a large portion of our military is deployed in other countries, so operations on our home soil would be handled mainly by the National Guard. This is a problem because a) guardsmen train less than regular soldiers and b) it would be difficult for a part-time soldier/guardsman to leave his family and report for duty. In hurricane Katrina, less than 40% of the New Orleans police force showed up for work - they wanted to stay with their families and make sure THEY were safe.
It is also very difficult to imagine US soldiers being given orders to kill infected civilians right off the bat, even if they are going to become zombies eventually. It is even harder to imagine them FOLLOWING such orders.
Finally, there are about 300,000 soldiers in the US military. There are 300 MILLION civilians in the country. Not only does the army not have 300 million bullets, let alone enough bullets to ensure 300 million headshots, but very few people, soldiers or civilian, would be able to singlehandedly kill 1,000 zombies, which is what each soldier would have to do. Gunshots also bring more zombies to your position, in greater numbers than you can handle.
You can fire a machine gun into a herd of zombies all day long and not kill more than a few of them - remember, headshots are all that matter. Even if you blow off a zombie's arms or legs, it will still use whatever limbs it has left to attack you.
THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY:
Would you rather be...
1) A single solitary soldier with an assault rifle, being attacked by 1,000 people armed with bare hands, sticks, and rocks, OR
2) One of 1,000 people in a crowd attacking one soldier with an assault rifle?
Granted, each bullet is more likely to kill it's target than each rock, but the fact is that most of the 1,000 will survive while the one soldier will certainly die.
Poseidon wrote:
CapnNismo wrote:
Fuck sakes man, think it through.
I like the idea of rounding them up with loudspeakers and killing them.It is inconceivable that a zombie horde, regardless of size would overrun any organized military. these are dumb eating machines. they do not posses the intelligence to make logical decisions. Basically, all you would need to do is use loud speakers to corral these geeks into confined spaces (between two buildings with one end blocked off by barriers. Once the come into the enclosed area, you would just pick them off one by one, or just blow them up. don't forget. zombies rot. after 6 months there would not even be able to move. not only that, but they are vulnerable to attack by wild animals (mammals, insects, birds).
Internet forums are the most reliable way to find arguments using sound statistics. /facepalm-Sh1fty- wrote:
here's an interesting post from a Walking Dead forum.First off, the military does NOT have unlimited ammo, and most of the ammo they have is NOT stored in bases in the US. Furthermore, no army in the world trains it's standard infantry troops to make head shots, they shoot for 'center mass' - the torso. Also, a large portion of our military is deployed in other countries, so operations on our home soil would be handled mainly by the National Guard. This is a problem because a) guardsmen train less than regular soldiers and b) it would be difficult for a part-time soldier/guardsman to leave his family and report for duty. In hurricane Katrina, less than 40% of the New Orleans police force showed up for work - they wanted to stay with their families and make sure THEY were safe.
It is also very difficult to imagine US soldiers being given orders to kill infected civilians right off the bat, even if they are going to become zombies eventually. It is even harder to imagine them FOLLOWING such orders.
Finally, there are about 300,000 soldiers in the US military. There are 300 MILLION civilians in the country. Not only does the army not have 300 million bullets, let alone enough bullets to ensure 300 million headshots, but very few people, soldiers or civilian, would be able to singlehandedly kill 1,000 zombies, which is what each soldier would have to do. Gunshots also bring more zombies to your position, in greater numbers than you can handle.
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Wha-?-Sh1fty- wrote:
not a documentary