Poll

Who attends church regularly? Or tries to.

i do10%10% - 14
i dont, but im christian29%29% - 40
i dont, im not christian60%60% - 83
Total: 137
Uzique
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atheists don't get married because they don't believe in the soul or holy matrimony instead we're just all polygamous and sire children left right and centre for the continued biological advancement of our rational and scientific species. in fact we don't even believe in love or sentimental attachment to children, partners or relations because this is intangible, non-quantifiable and utterly against the principles of observed empiricism. marriage is a traditional arrangement full of hocus-pocus and scary incantation and i refuse to partake in such tribal barbarisms.

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tuckergustav
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Mekstizzle wrote:

All you guys who say they don't go to Church at all or are not Christian, what about when you get married (or if you already have), was it in a Church with a priest?

I don't like it when I see all these non-Christian atheist new age peeps getting married in churches with all the 'I do' bullshit because its all traditional and thats how they see weddings as.
Outdoor ceremony...a friend of my husband performed the ceremony. He is atheist. It was a non-religious ceremony.
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Ultrafunkula
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tuckergustav wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

All you guys who say they don't go to Church at all or are not Christian, what about when you get married (or if you already have), was it in a Church with a priest?

I don't like it when I see all these non-Christian atheist new age peeps getting married in churches with all the 'I do' bullshit because its all traditional and thats how they see weddings as.
Outdoor ceremony...a friend of my husband performed the ceremony. He is atheist. It was a non-religious ceremony.
Ömmm... You don't need some county official to perform this over there if it's not a Priest performance?
Cybargs
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to mek: how do you think heathens of the world get married here in taiwan its hotel ballroom with lots of food and star wars music (not kidding about the music...)
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tuckergustav
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Ultrafunkula wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

All you guys who say they don't go to Church at all or are not Christian, what about when you get married (or if you already have), was it in a Church with a priest?

I don't like it when I see all these non-Christian atheist new age peeps getting married in churches with all the 'I do' bullshit because its all traditional and thats how they see weddings as.
Outdoor ceremony...a friend of my husband performed the ceremony. He is atheist. It was a non-religious ceremony.
Ömmm... You don't need some county official to perform this over there if it's not a Priest performance?
Nah...you can be "ordained" to perform weddings very easily. All it is is a stamp on your marriage license.  I think you can get ordained online these days.
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Beduin
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Women have the final word on where/how the wedding is going to be... not men. So stfu mek
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jord
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I refer you to the episode of friends when joey performs the service.
tuckergustav
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Beduin wrote:

Women have the final word on where/how the wedding is going to be... not men. So stfu mek
^has a point^
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Ultrafunkula
Hector: Ding, ding, ding, ding...
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tuckergustav wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Women have the final word on where/how the wedding is going to be... not men. So stfu mek
^has a point^
Yes. He does...
DrunkFace
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tuckergustav wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Women have the final word on where/how the wedding is going to be... not men. So stfu mek
^has a point^
WTF does a gay couple do
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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they get banned from marriage ofc
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Beduin
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DrunkFace wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Women have the final word on where/how the wedding is going to be... not men. So stfu mek
^has a point^
WTF does a gay couple do
One of them is a 'woman' :p
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Uzique
dasein.
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Beduin wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

tuckergustav wrote:


^has a point^
WTF does a gay couple do
One of them is a 'woman' :p
not always necessarily
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Mekstizzle
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Uzique wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

All you guys who say they don't go to Church at all or are not Christian, what about when you get married (or if you already have), was it in a Church with a priest?

I don't like it when I see all these non-Christian atheist new age peeps getting married in churches with all the 'I do' bullshit because its all traditional and thats how they see weddings as.
shut the fuck up, mek.

marriage is a legal institution and a social institution as much as a spiritual institution nowadays... you know this.

'new age' atheism? what are you, fucking stupid? do you even know what 'new age' means? jesus h. christ.

typical mekshittle post.
Yeah and once again you fail to see the point. Do you still go to a Church and get a priest to do everything? Or do you just do it differently (like Tucker said) or just to to the registrars office. I know that Marriage itself has nothing to do with religion. Shit.

All I was asking is whether all you vehement non-Christians still have a typical Christian wedding or not. Because it seems that's how it is for most people.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-09-09 10:49:37)

Uzique
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fail to see the point? you used the term 'new age atheist'. do you realize what a fucking moron that makes you look?

also you "miss the point" that criticizing organized religion an ultra-fervent atheist doth not make. one can be skeptical of corporations without being a marxist. one can be critical of the university system without being an unqualified dropout. i can speak my opinion on religion without being in the intellectual wankbank of dawkins and hitchens. you're a fucking dumbass.

people can get married without any religious/spiritual subtexts. "i do" and so on are PERSONAL VOWS more than anything else. it's the same as swearing upon the bible in a court of law: it's an oath and a tradition but it has little to no religious 'point'. it is merely a symbol of something important, something that you cannot blaspheme or disrespect; marriage vows and bible oaths in court are symbolic gestures to attest to someone's truth, commitment and veracity. it is NOT saying "i'm testifying in this court today as a catholic against the accused".

tl;dr: stfu mek, as always.
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Mekstizzle
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I'm not talking just about marriage in general anyway, I'm talking about the specifically Christian style wedding ceremony that people tend to do in the West (oh and places like Korea/Japan where they don't know their own customs). A church location and priest is already enough to qualify a ceremony as a Christian one.

Just like tucker said, with her outdoor non-religious ceremony. That's different.

You can't just say it's all symbolic and that's why people do it, there's plenty of ways of being able to do a wedding or be married without having to do it in a specifically Christian manner. All of which can be just as symbolic without any of the cringeworthy hypocrisy.
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The specific christian manner of wedding has simply been ingrained in our culture. For many people it's viewed as a tradition and a 'fun thing' to do and that it's 'the way a wedding is supposed to be'. Pretty much the way their parents got togheter.

None of these really have to do much with hypocrisy these days. If you read into it, it does, but that's not with intent. Nor do I believe the people you're referring to are completely oblivious to the fact of it being a christian style wedding while they consider themselves non-christian.

Personally I don't think I'll wed in that manner as I reject pretty much 95% of any religion. The whole thing has no meaning to me, not in the sense of tradition either.
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Uzique
dasein.
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i don't think it is hypocritical to want to get married with the 'traditional' ceremony. it's a rite of passage. a part of tradition and cultural identity; a part that has become SECULARISED and DISCONNECTED from the religious pretext. if you miss that point and apply an idiotic reductionist stance to the whole process and its many complex motivations/factors... then that's your prerogative. people don't get married with a classic set of vows to consciously be hypocritical. it's a western institution as well as a christian religious ceremony.

how many people are pedobaptised or christened upon birth as part of an 'official' ceremonious rite of passage? how many of those people are 'hypocritical', in your view? it's a part of western and specifically english society that has just been cemented. for 99% of the population the ceremony and symbolism has ZERO religious currency. and in all senses of 'meaning', we CREATE that 'meaning' and 'significance'. a rite and ceremony only has the symbolism and the 'message' that we pin to it. if we still preserve marriage as an institution of a SECULAR society, then the proceedings for 99% of people become secular. if you can't see it... you're being a typical overly-cynical mek-bitch.
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Mekstizzle
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Baptism is different, you're a baby/child and it's not like you've developed any non-religious views (or religious views for that matter). When people are old enough to get married, usually they've developed some sort of view on it all.

Say what you want about secularisation and tradition, a Church is still a specifically Christian place of worship. Not some rainbow Western historic institution of awesome.
Uzique
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furthermore there are a whole load of daily activities, traditions and quintessential parts of our culture that originated in religious discourse. they have become fully disconnected and decontextualised now, though. perhaps you overlook just how much of our national identity and how many of our institutions have completely religious backgrounds, but are now still flourishing in our secular age. marriage is just on the liminal threshold of that category. are all the people singing the english national anthem at football matches being hypocrits, because it is steeped in the age-old principles of divine right? because it implies the existence of an omnipotent and benevolent god? or... maybe it's just a national anthem, nowadays?



@previous post: im talking about baptism as a ceremony. as an act. a group act. a social rite of passage. are you following me? you're being so absurdly reductionist in your logic now that you're saying "the individual has no 'intent', therefore it is not hypocritical". well, many couples get married with absolutely no conscious consideration of the religious setting of their ceremony... guess they're let-off too, then, in your little world? my point is that these 'traditions' now have a new, secular context. their meaning (which, as i pointed out in my semantic theory of 'meaning') is an entirely HUMAN CONSTRUCT. so, these events are defined by our own CURRENT contempoary definitions of them. if marriage has little religious meaning in the 21st century ceremony, then by that very social virtue alone, it is NOT religious. do you not understand that? how we philosophically look at, categorise and consider everything in the exterior world is subject to our ever changing definitions. semantics. epistemology. here's an old line: "go read a fucking book". stop talking such utter shite to yourself. im surprised anyone still listens to you.

Last edited by Uzique (2010-09-09 11:25:23)

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Shocking
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Baptism is different, you're a baby/child and it's not like you've developed any non-religious views (or religious views for that matter). When people are old enough to get married, usually they've developed some sort of view on it all.

Say what you want about secularisation and tradition, a Church is still a specifically Christian place of worship. Not some rainbow Western historic institution of awesome.
Churches have served far more uses than just being religious buildings throughout history. Anyway, there's nothing wrong in getting married in a church with a priest in western culture while not considering yourself a christian. It has simply formed itself into a tradition and thus, as Uzique said, has been disconnected from a religious pretext.
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Mekstizzle
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dayarath wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Baptism is different, you're a baby/child and it's not like you've developed any non-religious views (or religious views for that matter). When people are old enough to get married, usually they've developed some sort of view on it all.

Say what you want about secularisation and tradition, a Church is still a specifically Christian place of worship. Not some rainbow Western historic institution of awesome.
Churches have served far more uses than just being religious buildings throughout history. Anyway, there's nothing wrong in getting married in a church with a priest in western culture while not considering yourself a christian. It has simply formed itself into a tradition and thus, as Uzique said, has been disconnected from a religious pretext.
It can depend on how you see it. I'll always see it as rather hypocritical of someone to be like that. There are others who think like that too, hence the refusal to conduct a Church 'n Priest style ceremony and go for something different. It's just a matter of opinion, then.

It's been disconnected for those who wish to see it as disconnected. Because they're too lazy to try and actually follow up on their beliefs, or they still hold the good childlike bits of their former religion in their minds. I guess that's why people love Christmas so much, and pretty Christian weddings instead of just a registry office.

For those who beleive in it, I'm sure a Western style marriage in a Church is still a wholly Christian ceremony.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-09-09 11:37:04)

jord
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I'd get married in a church if the wife really wanted to.

I would waste my time "christening" my children though.
Uzique
dasein.
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right so now all my reasoning via semantics is just "me being [too] lazy to follow up on [my] beliefs".

you know, mek, for some people a church really is JUST a church: a fancy building to have a traditional marriage in.

and yeah im sure you've never accepted any christmas presents... im sure you've never attended a marriage ceremony of any kind with any sort of formal vows... im sure you've never attended a relative's funeral because of the origins in religious ceremony... im sure you live your entire life to a set of high-minded ideals that you are completely attuned to: an absolute ideologue and aesthete.

that or you're just a stupid fuck.

Last edited by Uzique (2010-09-09 11:41:34)

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tuckergustav
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Plus, a church is set up for a wedding already, no extra cost for seating and a place...it's easy.
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