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Macbeth wrote:

jord wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Again we don't know the overall circumstances to make any assumptions.

Also to kill a baby seal it sometimes takes two or three whacks...

What circumstances would condone someone choosing to drown animals rather than smply hit them with a blunt object? I can't think of any and I have somewhat of an imagination.

2,3,4,5 whacks, its always going to be quicker. Blunt trauma to the head is less painful than drowning.

Go back and reread what I've said in this thread. We can't expect a eastern euro country to have the same sort of infrastructure and ability we have in disposing of animals humanely. 

Secondly holding down a puppy and smashing it's head in 5 times with a brick hurts a lot more than drowning. Their little lungs would fill up with water very quickly.

I don't need to go back, I remember what you said and that's why I've not suggested they should've used an expensive lethal injection.

I'm not going to go into details about the best way to kill animals, this thread is depressing enough. I'm sure you can think of a few ways that are more humane than drowning though without me giving examples.

everyone in this thread is making a huge assumptive error in bestowing human empathies and anthropomorphically endowing dogs with human emotions. there is nothing to say that they 'suffered' as a result of drowning; it is quite ridiculous to put forward the 'choice' between "a bullet to the head, immolation or drowning"- anything above basic animal instincts is lost on a dog. for all purposes, as mek said, dead is dead. people suggesting gun-shots or mass injective-poisoning really aren't thinking this through. if you have a massive population problem with street dogs, and you live in one of those shithole eastern european countries that everyone here likes to look down upon so much... how do you finance it? how do you organize that? when there's a river just down the road? jesus, some of you lack common sense with all your emotional rhetoric.

whatever bonus values and attributes we may bestow upon a dog because of our western culture's 'elevating' of their status as domestic pets with familial sentiments... it is still JUST A FUCKING DOG to most people. im not condoning this behaviour- because i personally i have no 'need' or 'desire' to dispose of puppies- but im not putting the goddamn woman on a freudian coach and calling her a SOCIOPATH because she threw a few puppies into a river. over-reaction much?

Last edited by Uzique (2010-09-02 15:40:27)

Uzique wrote:

everyone in this thread is making a huge assumptive error in bestowing human empathies and anthropomorphically endowing dogs with human emotions. there is nothing to say that they 'suffered' as a result of drowning; it is quite ridiculous to put forward the 'choice' between "a bullet to the head, immolation or drowning"- anything above basic animal instincts is lost on a dog. for all purposes, as mek said, dead is dead. people suggesting gun-shots or mass injective-poisoning really aren't thinking this through. if you have a massive population problem with street dogs, and you live in one of those shithole eastern european countries that everyone here likes to look down upon so much... how do you finance it? how do you organize that? when there's a river just down the road? jesus, some of you lack common sense with all your emotional rhetoric.

whatever bonus values and attributes we may bestow upon a dog because of our western culture's 'elevating' of their status as domestic pets with familial sentiments... it is still JUST A FUCKING DOG to most people. im not condoning this behaviour- because i personally i have no 'need' or 'desire' to dispose of puppies- but im not putting the goddamn woman on a freudian coach and calling her a SOCIOPATH because she threw a few puppies into a river. over-reaction much?

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 6#p3303626
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 3#p3303643

Yeah I made those points already. No-one is really having an emotional reaction here. At least I'm not.

Well, I guess that's what I get for not reading the whole thread.  I was reminded of that other thread you made, so I jumped to conclusions.

EDIT: to the anonymous karma person...  nice Office Space reference...  LOL... 

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-09-02 15:48:30)

I fucking hate dogs, more than anything else I hate fucking dogs.

You have to check "Never show smilies as icons for this post"

Last edited by Macbeth (2010-09-02 16:03:34)

Turquoise wrote:

Mac...  take note of Uzique's post.  That's how you make an argument against animal cruelty laws.  It's not a matter of property rights -- it's a matter of context.

No shit, PETA freezes their animals.

Uzique wrote:

everyone in this thread is making a huge assumptive error in bestowing human empathies and anthropomorphically endowing dogs with human emotions. there is nothing to say that they 'suffered' as a result of drowning; it is quite ridiculous to put forward the 'choice' between "a bullet to the head, immolation or drowning"- anything above basic animal instincts is lost on a dog. for all purposes, as mek said, dead is dead. people suggesting gun-shots or mass injective-poisoning really aren't thinking this through. if you have a massive population problem with street dogs, and you live in one of those shithole eastern european countries that everyone here likes to look down upon so much... how do you finance it? how do you organize that? when there's a river just down the road? jesus, some of you lack common sense with all your emotional rhetoric.

whatever bonus values and attributes we may bestow upon a dog because of our western culture's 'elevating' of their status as domestic pets with familial sentiments... it is still JUST A FUCKING DOG to most people. im not condoning this behaviour- because i personally i have no 'need' or 'desire' to dispose of puppies- but im not putting the goddamn woman on a freudian coach and calling her a SOCIOPATH because she threw a few puppies into a river. over-reaction much?

You're right, Uzique.  Animals can't feel any emotion, can they?  Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Macbeth wrote:

First line of your link.

There is no scientific consensus on emotion in animals

Indeed, however if you read, there is research to suggest that mammals in particular do.

And quote the whole line next time:

There is no scientific consensus on emotion in animals, that is, what emotions certain species of animals feel.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2010-09-02 17:14:06)

CBA to scan thread, but here's an OP from EE:

Phatmatt wrote:

Warning: The video is graphic especially if you're an animal lover

http://valleywag.gawker.com/5626105/4ch … owing-girl


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I just saw this and wow I don't know what to say, who in their right mind would do something like that? I mean fuck somebody throw her in the river.

/b/ are fucking good at finding people, and tbh I like what they are doing even though it's probably not the best way but it get things done.

Turquoise wrote:

Higher mammals feel emotions, but I don't think dogs really do -- not in a manner we normally refer to as emotion at least.

Have you/your family owned a dog for any extensive period of time? 

You may be right that they don't experience the full gamut of complex human emotion, but I think that dogs at least experience fear, happiness, anxiety and "love" (or at least, unwavering affection)...it's readily apparent if you spend a lot of time around them.

That said, I doubt a puppy feels fear anymore than a human infant, or any newborn mammal...they're simply not developed enough.

Uzique wrote:

all of the above could be attributed to primal, root-level canine behaviourisms, though... pack-instinct, for example, with 'loyalty'.

the animal has no conscious, self-reflexive ability to discern, distinguish and 'trigger' these emotions, though.

and surely a large part of 'emotional' psychology is being able to identify said emotions and characterise them...

true but the people know what they are doing is causing mental and physical pain (associated with human feelings) yet continue to do it and enjoy it.  thats a mental defect.