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Turquoise wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

If you really want to get technical, every aspect of our lives has been brainwashed into us. We have been brainwashed into seeking an education, we have been brainwashed into knowing what is right and wrong means; the list could go on. Its all the same.

Not all brainwashing is the same.  A certain amount of what we are guided into believing is based on logic and evidence.  Even a large portion of morality is based upon practical needs among society rather than metaphysical beings and folklore.

My argument is that the traditions that are based solely on scripture lack the logic, evidence, and practical usefulness that make them worthy of support in modern rational society.  Social progress requires the curtailing of said traditions not through law but through social pressure.

It makes logical sense for mainstream society to view the hijab as sexist when considering the history behind it.  Even things as simple as wedding rings have a dark past based on traditions that we would most likely shun if more of us were familiar with their origins.

mafia996630 wrote:

While you see Islam as sexist; I think Islam acknowledges males and females are different, they have different needs and desires.

Fair enough.

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rdx-fx wrote:

I also don't quite understand why the women are required to walk around covered head to toe in black cloth, in 120°F weather,

Beduin wrote:

ever heard about bedouins?

rdx-fx wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

While you see Islam as sexist; I think Islam acknowledges males and females are different, they have different needs and desires.

To a point, I completely agree.

Past that point lies madness, where women have acid poured on their face, or their nose cut off, for trivial violations of modesty or trying to escape abusive environments.

I also don't quite understand why the women are required to walk around covered head to toe in black cloth, in 120°F weather, lest they inspire lascivious thoughts in the men?
WTF? because the men can't control themselves, the women have to walk around in a Glad bag?

The moderate Islam, though, makes some sense.
The attitude of modesty, of the women voluntarily covering up, of "This is for my husband, not for you. I do not want your attention, or your admiration".  That is understandable, to a degree - if it's her decision, not because her tiny-dick husband has insecurity issues.

Then again, I'm all for tall, attractive, brunettes with ample breasts, sensuously rubbing suntan lotion on those ample breasts while sunbathing topless.  If they don't mind the polite admiration and observation, I don't mind the view.  Have to remember "look, don't touch, don't leer".

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rdx-fx wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

I also don't quite understand why the women are required to walk around covered head to toe in black cloth, in 120°F weather,

Beduin wrote:

ever heard about bedouins?

rdx-fx wrote:

What, the layers of cloth they wear to keep the sun and sand off?

Beduin wrote:

in 120°F weather...

I'd guess that was more for practical reasons, and less for modesty.
Keeping from getting crispy burnt by the sun, and keeping the skin from being scoured off your bones in a "shamoo"
(yes, I know that's the wrong pronunciation)

Beduin wrote:

It is not as bad as it sounds then? I myself know how important it is to cover head and body under a 120°F sun shine

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jord wrote:

Mmmm well in very humid weather its obviously not comfortable attire is it. Its practical uses in the middle east have no bearing on western muslim women, no?

jord wrote:

Beduin wrote:

jord wrote:

Mmmm well in very humid weather its obviously not comfortable attire is it. Its practical uses in the middle east have no bearing on western muslim women, no?

You live among a lot of muslims, no?

Yes I do...

I don't see what that has to do with addressing my post.

mafia996630 wrote:

I wasn't looking to differentiate brainwashing, merely pointing out that life is brainwashed into us.

""My argument is that the traditions that are based solely on scripture lack the logic, evidence, and practical usefulness that make them worthy of support in modern rational society.  Social progress requires the curtailing of said traditions not through law but through social pressure.""

I think your argument can be be applied to traditions in general (i.e not based on scriptures). Agree with your second sentence, however so called "social pressure" can be very sinister in its application so be careful what you wish for.

Apologies if this is a dum question but what history are you referring to? I did wiki but to no avail.

Beduin wrote:

jord wrote:

Beduin wrote:

You live among a lot of muslims, no?

Yes I do...

I don't see what that has to do with addressing my post.

I am pretty sure those western muslim women would do a much better job answering you, than me!

Go have a chat with them, they will not blow you away... or you don't believe they can talk/understand what you are saying?

jord wrote:

where is the logic in wearing a ton of clothing in shorts and t shirt weather?

Beduin wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

As for women's rights, the hijab and burka are pre-Islamic practices incorporated into Islam that hold back the equality of women.

You clearly know nothing about the life of women in the pre-islamic societies, specially in middle east.

Thats what I am suggesting.

Beduin wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Thats what I am suggesting.

And what's your basis for that?
So tell me, what is it that I'm leaving out of my analysis?

History. Go read it, you might learn a thing or two about this particular issue.