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Dilbert_X wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

dude, no.  Force projection not only covers destructive capabilites, in fact it has more to do with the ability to place a number of military forces on any piece of earth within  small window of time.  dont be naive dude.
Which is pretty hard if you don't have carriers to provide the protective umbrella.
carriers arent the only asset for air defense.
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eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

Ive been a fulltime college student since I left.  try again
Congratulations, let me guess, when you grow up you want to be an ACLU lawyer.
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Wow, I am speechless with shock
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If you don't have air power to protect your 'logistics coefficient' what do you have exactly?

Infinity times zero is still zero.
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there is a long list of different options
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Dilbert_X wrote:

If you don't have air power to protect your 'logistics coefficient' what do you have exactly?

Infinity times zero is still zero.
Do nuke subs count?
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lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Congratulations, let me guess, when you grow up you want to be an ACLU lawyer.
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Wow, I am speechless with shock
Now show us your Church of Satan card.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

No-one needs to spank the ME, they know the US economy will implode soon enough - they have a long term plan which is why they're building their military now.
That sentence is wrong on so many levels it isn't even funny.

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without resorting to nuclear capabilities
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you don't have air power to protect your 'logistics coefficient' what do you have exactly?

Infinity times zero is still zero.
Do nuke subs count?
Dunno, can submarines shoot down fighter aircraft?
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Wow, I am speechless with shock
Now show us your Church of Satan card.
Sorry, we don't have cards.
eleven bravo
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you don't have air power to protect your 'logistics coefficient' what do you have exactly?

Infinity times zero is still zero.
Do nuke subs count?
Dunno, can submarines shoot down fighter aircraft?
yes

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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you don't have air power to protect your 'logistics coefficient' what do you have exactly?

Infinity times zero is still zero.
Do nuke subs count?
Dunno, can submarines shoot down fighter aircraft?
Nope but they sure as hell can take out any place they launch from.
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subs have surface to air capabilities
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eleven bravo wrote:

subs have surface to air capabilities
what weapon system launches from a sub as surface to air?
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lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

subs have surface to air capabilities
what weapon system launches from a sub as surface to air?
ones that deal with low flying aircraft
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:


Do nuke subs count?
Dunno, can submarines shoot down fighter aircraft?
Nope but they sure as hell can take out any place they launch from.
And the Chinese can do that from the comfort of their bunkers.

Sorry, the 'we will win because we'll nuke them' doesn't really fly'.

Realistically, without carriers, and therefore without any naval presence, could the US beat China in Chinese territory in a conventional fight?
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no, but they couldnt thwart American control of the ocean
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eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

subs have surface to air capabilities
what weapon system launches from a sub as surface to air?
ones that deal with low flying aircraft
no kiddin? care to elaborate on that?
lowing
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eleven bravo wrote:

no, but they couldnt thwart American control of the ocean
hence the carrier killer....full circle.
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lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:


what weapon system launches from a sub as surface to air?
ones that deal with low flying aircraft
no kiddin? care to elaborate on that?
a quick search says that the german navy is currently developing a new generation of submarine launched surfaced to air missiles.  admittedly, i dont know much about this so i did more searching and apparently they have launchers attached to subs that use the same missile system as javelins/red eyes/ stingers
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This has the potential to be a real game changer for us. Our control of all the seas and oceans has been pretty much the main benefactor in our prosperity. They aim to reduce that a bit, at least to wherever they can employ the missiles. Its up to them if they can perfect it. We'll find out i guess.
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Meh, I'd trust AEGIS to protect the carriers. It's not like they sail alone, they're always surrounded by cruisers and destroyers bristling with anti aircraft and anti-missile systems.
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lowing
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Meh, I'd trust AEGIS to protect the carriers. It's not like they sail alone, they're always surrounded by cruisers and destroyers bristling with anti aircraft and anti-missile systems.
Well from what I gather in the article, there is not much we have in our fleet to counter this new "carrier killer" weapon.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Realistically, without carriers, and therefore without any naval presence
I actually laughed at this ridiculous non sequitur.
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lowing wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Meh, I'd trust AEGIS to protect the carriers. It's not like they sail alone, they're always surrounded by cruisers and destroyers bristling with anti aircraft and anti-missile systems.
Well from what I gather in the article, there is not much we have in our fleet to counter this new "carrier killer" weapon.
That is like saying we don't have anything to counter a nuclear strike.

No, we don't. So what? The defense is in the political nature of using such a weapon. You use such a weapon and you immediately escalate to all out conventional warfare with the U.S. and likely much of the rest of the Western world, assuming cooler heads prevail and nukes don't start flying.

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