actually aa vehicles have been a pain in the ass for pilots in every flight sim i've ever played. don't know if you ever played op flashpoint, but the shilka was nearly untouchable. ora jane's flight sims, aa vehicles were to get picked off with anti-radar missiles like the harm-88. the problem with aa vehicles is that if you stay far away you get missiles flying at you. if you approach it you are slaughtered by the cannon. in bf2 the aa vehicles were just a target for bombs... i can't remember all the times i've fired my aa gun to overheat at the enemy chopper / plane, but i'm sure that all the planes i shot down with tunguska/linebacker were killed by my missiles.Dr.Battlefield wrote:
I'm not a pilot, and there was a time when I h8ed pilots, h8ed bein raped, h8ed death from above. But I learned how to live with it. So I didnt and dont really care about the jets. I havent play 1.20 yet, but when I read this I'm start thinking that AA is a bit owerpowered. (AA vehicles even worse!) But what about the flares? Does they help?
I'm just saying that we will see more and more people on Karkand now, and less and less people on Oman and Wake.
I fly a little bit...and I'm pretty good at least in the "not crashing" department....-iLL*NaYmL3sS wrote:
sometimes you cant find the aa and other times its not an aa...its a jet on your ass. fuck dude, you guys think aviating is easy. i would love to see you guys try and get skilled at it so you can see its not easy to have a good ratio.jjrp02 wrote:
I know that when I'm in a jet...I hear beep beep beeeeeeep...It meant "just flip and roll and you'll be fine...turn around and plaster that AA guy"
I know that when I'm in a tank...I hear beep beep beeeeep...it meant "sorry..you're fucked"
and I'm also pretty good at figuring out where the lock is coming from...I can cycle camere views in mid flip to see if I'm being tailed...now in most cases I can use common sense to figure out where it's coming from...based on how long the lock holds and where I am on the map...
I know piloting isn't as easy as cake...we all know that...but dear god man people on the ground are almost defenseless because the AA was so terrible...not to mention that jets had enough armor so chain guns on the essex alone could almost never do the trick
I hate having worked so hard to get on the island at wake because every time the BH spawns a jet comes by and rapes the hell out of us...and when we finally get a flag on the island half our tickets are gone and the game's well in hand for the PLA...and what can we do about it???? hope and pray that the essex gets a lucky shot in on the jet...coz that's all it was luck...and half the time that luck turns into 6 TKs
Well, I'm about done with this topic. I'll just find a way to beat you guys and then own you like I did pre-1.2 and then you'll whine more because pilots "adapted" and you wasted your time not getting skilled in a jet and sitting in AAs pointing and clicking at the poor noobs hopping in jets/helos.
If I see somethign utterly moronic or if I just feel like chiming in, you can bet I'll be back.
If I see somethign utterly moronic or if I just feel like chiming in, you can bet I'll be back.
Agreed SlayThem. sorry i was out wit my sis for supper
Oh, here is something I'll leave you with just as a little thing to look at...
this was my second game flying against the amazing AA.
Just wait til I find out a sure-fire way of defeating those AA emplacements and you'll be seeing me 50+ - 0 and all the AA fags saying "man this AA sucks! EA needs ot fix it!"
I was getting a kickvote against me on Wake Island and I only had 8 - 0.
We'll see what happens.
Oh yeah, my ground still stands that it's too good, but, I'm a determined pilot. You don't want to see me determined.
this was my second game flying against the amazing AA.
Just wait til I find out a sure-fire way of defeating those AA emplacements and you'll be seeing me 50+ - 0 and all the AA fags saying "man this AA sucks! EA needs ot fix it!"
I was getting a kickvote against me on Wake Island and I only had 8 - 0.
We'll see what happens.
Oh yeah, my ground still stands that it's too good, but, I'm a determined pilot. You don't want to see me determined.
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See I knew that plane superiority is still possible even with the new AA... just has to take more skill this time around.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Oh, here is something I'll leave you with just as a little thing to look at...
this was my second game flying against the amazing AA.
Just wait til I find out a sure-fire way of defeating those AA emplacements and you'll be seeing me 50+ - 0 and all the AA fags saying "man this AA sucks! EA needs ot fix it!"
I was getting a kickvote against me on Wake Island and I only had 8 - 0.
We'll see what happens.
PlaneWHORE: Racking up kills regardless of team. If the Su-34 and F-15 IGNORE each other on cleansweep and proceed to bomb the bejesus out of anyone on cleansweep. Plane wh0re.
PlaneUSER: Does a pilots role. If i have to spend an entire match chasing an opponent pilot who is bombing the fuck out of my teammates, I will. Sure, maybe i won't even get any kills doing so. But neither will he. Once he straightens out for a Strafe/Bomb run or to rearm, I sure as HELL will be introducing his afterburners to my MG fire. I don't have an INSANE Ratio in a plane BECAUSE of this fact.
As far as I'M concerned, the AA change screwed ALL aerial vehicles, but its not going to stop me from using the planes. Unlike half the fucktards ingame, when I got owned by a plane, i LEARNT to fly them and DOGFIGHT. Not whine and ask for a change just because I couldn't fly.
Like I've said before, I've been consistantly outscoring carrier campers those WHORES you speak about. They can camp a carrier, but they sure as hell can't run in a dogfight. Looks like BF1942 taught me how to be a better player instead of a WHINER.
So *shrug* I suggest some people learn to recognise the difference between a legit COMPLAINT and an ARGUMENT. I wasn't complaining, I was ARGUING. Watch me, i'll sure as hell find a way around this.
PlaneUSER: Does a pilots role. If i have to spend an entire match chasing an opponent pilot who is bombing the fuck out of my teammates, I will. Sure, maybe i won't even get any kills doing so. But neither will he. Once he straightens out for a Strafe/Bomb run or to rearm, I sure as HELL will be introducing his afterburners to my MG fire. I don't have an INSANE Ratio in a plane BECAUSE of this fact.
As far as I'M concerned, the AA change screwed ALL aerial vehicles, but its not going to stop me from using the planes. Unlike half the fucktards ingame, when I got owned by a plane, i LEARNT to fly them and DOGFIGHT. Not whine and ask for a change just because I couldn't fly.
Like I've said before, I've been consistantly outscoring carrier campers those WHORES you speak about. They can camp a carrier, but they sure as hell can't run in a dogfight. Looks like BF1942 taught me how to be a better player instead of a WHINER.
So *shrug* I suggest some people learn to recognise the difference between a legit COMPLAINT and an ARGUMENT. I wasn't complaining, I was ARGUING. Watch me, i'll sure as hell find a way around this.
Yes, but I was down in the red many times.. I had to take pass after pass after pass to heal.. I don't dare go into battle without full health anymore.GotMex? wrote:
See I knew that plane superiority is still possible even with the new AA... just has to take more skill this time around.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Oh, here is something I'll leave you with just as a little thing to look at...
this was my second game flying against the amazing AA.
Just wait til I find out a sure-fire way of defeating those AA emplacements and you'll be seeing me 50+ - 0 and all the AA fags saying "man this AA sucks! EA needs ot fix it!"
I was getting a kickvote against me on Wake Island and I only had 8 - 0.
We'll see what happens.
Thestatement earlier said the Essex woould really eat up planes was true. So the carrier taking down those planes is how it would happen in real life.-=THC_RU=- wrote:
in real life u cannot shoot down a plane like that, if u could, then no one would fly them
and regarding skill: it takes a lot of skill to be in the air and to kill others, now every n00b will be sitting in stingers and shooting and getting medals like crazy.
Thank you for making this game VERY unbalanced
I can bomb and fly in a jet and dont agree it takes that much skill. Its a niche part of the game that used to the give point whores the advantage. And this thread is all of the point whores complaining and all of the ground-pounders praising.
And the game was unbalanced before, not now. A person dropping his payload on infantry soldiers who had no way of taking down air vehicles not balanced? Now the pilots need to expand that niche and get better. You want dogfights find a flight simulator. This is a teamwork game and, (sorry to you honorable pilots.) most pilots aren't about teamwork.
And now maybe this will deter team mates from camping on the runways waiting for the plane to spawn or the guy in the plane to crash to spawn, or to c4 the guy who got his plane etc etc etc. and all our flags go neutral and we lose because of it.
Infantry world about to get hot and heavy.
You sound just like me *hug*=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Oh yeah, my ground still stands that it's too good, but, I'm a determined pilot. You don't want to see me determined.
Yes, I agree. AA vehicles should have the POWER. But about stationary AA, hmmmm... I'm afraid we will see tks for stationary AA more often now. Anyway havent play 1.20 yes, so I cant exactly know how it feels.Umibozu_IT wrote:
actually aa vehicles have been a pain in the ass for pilots in every flight sim i've ever played. don't know if you ever played op flashpoint, but the shilka was nearly untouchable. ora jane's flight sims, aa vehicles were to get picked off with anti-radar missiles like the harm-88. the problem with aa vehicles is that if you stay far away you get missiles flying at you. if you approach it you are slaughtered by the cannon. in bf2 the aa vehicles were just a target for bombs... i can't remember all the times i've fired my aa gun to overheat at the enemy chopper / plane, but i'm sure that all the planes i shot down with tunguska/linebacker were killed by my missiles.Dr.Battlefield wrote:
I'm not a pilot, and there was a time when I h8ed pilots, h8ed bein raped, h8ed death from above. But I learned how to live with it. So I didnt and dont really care about the jets. I havent play 1.20 yet, but when I read this I'm start thinking that AA is a bit owerpowered. (AA vehicles even worse!) But what about the flares? Does they help?
I'm just saying that we will see more and more people on Karkand now, and less and less people on Oman and Wake.
LMAO... omg this is so true.Dr.Battlefield wrote:
I'm afraid we will see tks for stationary AA more often now.
Well at least one good thing will come out of this.
Your 50-0 stats in a round will mean a lot more now.
Tking for AA though... Lol, you're gonna see that on Mashturr a lot.
Your 50-0 stats in a round will mean a lot more now.
Tking for AA though... Lol, you're gonna see that on Mashturr a lot.
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i saw someone do it today, then shot down a full blackhawkx0pht wrote:
LMAO... omg this is so true.Dr.Battlefield wrote:
I'm afraid we will see tks for stationary AA more often now.
It's dreadful and completely un-realistic, i never reliased the intensity of the AA, even to the jets! The missiles can 180 and hit you! There's no missile in the world that can do that.
well this make this game really unbalanced!!!!! how come that you have now to deal with your plane's health! !!! this is nuts!!=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Yes, but I was down in the red many times.. I had to take pass after pass after pass to heal.. I don't dare go into battle without full health anymore.GotMex? wrote:
See I knew that plane superiority is still possible even with the new AA... just has to take more skill this time around.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Oh, here is something I'll leave you with just as a little thing to look at...
this was my second game flying against the amazing AA.
Just wait til I find out a sure-fire way of defeating those AA emplacements and you'll be seeing me 50+ - 0 and all the AA fags saying "man this AA sucks! EA needs ot fix it!"
I was getting a kickvote against me on Wake Island and I only had 8 - 0.
We'll see what happens.
It can do that if it's a friendly jet, I've had the essex missles do that on 1.12...
For the few awesome teamwork pilots who follow orders and limit tk's and baseraping, its been ruined by the 100's of shitty tk for the copter/plane bomb reload bomb reload. They dont even look for the opposite teams ari force. Sry Slay. You gotta suffer.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
What about the legit pilots who were in it for the dogfighting? or the pilots who liked to bomb those tanks that you poor infantrymen are pinned down by and call out over and over? Sorry, Dice nerfed your air support. your KDRs will go down aswell.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
This is very good. Allows to turn the tides when the carrier is being bombarded. Some K : D ratios gonna get hurt I bet.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
yes, and it's absolutely TOO good. Air to air takes no skill now, ground to air takes no skill. It's point and click... no, wait, I'm sorry, don't have to point. just click blindly and chances are you'll kill something. BULLSHIT.
Dice has not balanced the game, but completely unbalanced it the opposite way. Though I am working on finding a way to get away from the missles, and I've almsot gotten it I think, it's still too good. But I am glad they weakend the missles(takes three[3] to take a jet) but it wasn't enough. Especialy on the Carrier... 2 essex guns, (6?) missles on each. You will NOT get anywhere near it alive.
man the aa is good but trust me slaythem i fucking love it the mad lot all run 2 get the aa and you can get even more kills than before now i go and blow your aa up while you run to get in it. i like the new change makes things more fair i like my plane but i will get me feet black to. there is away round the aa i have been doing it from day 1 all plane whores as some call em know where they have aa. apart from the mobile aa its not made it much harder in my eyes but some maps you will feel the aa power.
i will still fly J10 on wake, but what im gonna do now probably will be defending the island, instead of attacking the carrier.
I doubt it even complete idiots will realise getting in a blackhawk is suicide after a few days.Esker wrote:
Well at least one good thing will come out of this.
Your 50-0 stats in a round will mean a lot more now.
Tking for AA though... Lol, you're gonna see that on Mashturr a lot.
PlaneWHORE: Racking up kills regardless of team. If the Su-34 and F-15 IGNORE each other on cleansweep and proceed to bomb the bejesus out of anyone on cleansweep. Plane wh0re.
PlaneUSER: Does a pilots role. If i have to spend an entire match chasing an opponent pilot who is bombing the fuck out of my teammates, I will. Sure, maybe i won't even get any kills doing so. But neither will he. Once he straightens out for a Strafe/Bomb run or to rearm, I sure as HELL will be introducing his afterburners to my MG fire. I don't have an INSANE Ratio in a plane BECAUSE of this fact.
PlaneUSER: Does a pilots role. If i have to spend an entire match chasing an opponent pilot who is bombing the fuck out of my teammates, I will. Sure, maybe i won't even get any kills doing so. But neither will he. Once he straightens out for a Strafe/Bomb run or to rearm, I sure as HELL will be introducing his afterburners to my MG fire. I don't have an INSANE Ratio in a plane BECAUSE of this fact.
But isn't this more fun now? More of a challenge? Doesn't it feel good to earn those 20 kills? The elite pilots will still continue to be elite. Congrats to your score. Us combat/kill ground pounders have to work hard to earn that 57 points. And remember, snipers are now pilots best teammate. I can't wait to do some AA sniping tonight.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Yes, but I was down in the red many times.. I had to take pass after pass after pass to heal.. I don't dare go into battle without full health anymore.GotMex? wrote:
See I knew that plane superiority is still possible even with the new AA... just has to take more skill this time around.=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:
Oh, here is something I'll leave you with just as a little thing to look at...
this was my second game flying against the amazing AA.
Just wait til I find out a sure-fire way of defeating those AA emplacements and you'll be seeing me 50+ - 0 and all the AA fags saying "man this AA sucks! EA needs ot fix it!"
I was getting a kickvote against me on Wake Island and I only had 8 - 0.
We'll see what happens.
and this is what air power should have meant to be used for since the game came out. unfortunately the game came out with an ridicolous overpowered air force, and that's why we had j-10 cleaning out the carrier's deck without being seriously threathened (except by enemy planes but most of the times there was a good pilot on a side and no pilot on the other side, what were infantrymen supposed to do in that cases?) . many ppl seems to don't get the point though. they are crying because now they COULD be shot down by aax0pht wrote:
i will still fly J10 on wake, but what im gonna do now probably will be defending the island, instead of attacking the carrier.
I have no problem with pilots that have actual skill and work with their team who can still dominate with the new AA, if your nothing but a dirty,dirty whore though, say hello to the ground for me. And the people who say the new AA is unrealistic, sorry you are wrong. A missle just doesnt lose a lock on for you turning 90 degrees to the left.
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