Gooners, what the shit is this?Gooners wrote:
has it been that long?eleven bravo wrote:
gooners hasnt been on steam in 300 days
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kinda funny how screamo/metal/whatever you want to call it has made its way into black pop culture
yeah but isn't it kinda ironic that the 'topics are bland' but you still expect niggas to be talking about poverty 20 years later?eleven bravo wrote:
the origins of hip hop are rooted in poverty. bboying, graf, mcing and djing didnt come from the middle class.Uzique wrote:
last time i checked 'poverty' wasnt one of the 4 pillars of hip-hop...eleven bravo wrote:
very much so.
underground hip hop of the last 10 years has kept that spirit alive. nowadays though, I find the topics bland and talent lacking in the mainstream. everyone sounds the same. niggas aint broke no more and dont have anything to rap about with passion.
and there are lots of unique and different-sounding underground rappers out there. you're just listening to the wrong stuff.
how you can say someone like Mr. Lif or DOOM or Quasimoto isn't 'different'...
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Gooners, what the shit is this?Gooners wrote:
has it been that long?eleven bravo wrote:
gooners hasnt been on steam in 300 days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEzf01LMWlA
well, some artist that came from modest beginnings changed the content of their music as they grew into success and its still good.Uzique wrote:
yeah but isn't it kinda ironic that the 'topics are bland' but you still expect niggas to be talking about poverty 20 years later?eleven bravo wrote:
the origins of hip hop are rooted in poverty. bboying, graf, mcing and djing didnt come from the middle class.Uzique wrote:
last time i checked 'poverty' wasnt one of the 4 pillars of hip-hop...
and there are lots of unique and different-sounding underground rappers out there. you're just listening to the wrong stuff.
how you can say someone like Mr. Lif or DOOM or Quasimoto isn't 'different'...
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most underground hip-hoppers i know stay in their hood... more integrity in refusing the big deals and keep making it for the love, no?
i don't understand the fascination with hip-hop and poverty. it's like demanding every rock band be middle-class and privately educated because the first wave of classic rock was english public school. music should transcend all that shit; art shouldn't subscribe to class. yeah so nas made some good albums about crack-rocks and the projects... doesn't mean every hip-hop album should be just as broke.
i don't understand the fascination with hip-hop and poverty. it's like demanding every rock band be middle-class and privately educated because the first wave of classic rock was english public school. music should transcend all that shit; art shouldn't subscribe to class. yeah so nas made some good albums about crack-rocks and the projects... doesn't mean every hip-hop album should be just as broke.
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ofcourse. the underground scene has kept hip hop alive. I went to an underground show just last month. some guys from oxnard, ventura county.Uzique wrote:
most underground hip-hoppers i know stay in their hood... more integrity in refusing the big deals and keep making it for the love, no?
its like this. hip hop/rap became popular in the inner city and poor neighborhoods because, ofcourse, a lot of it was a reflection of everyday life in these areas. this also explains the reasons why certain areas of the country have different styles and major topics. the reason the west coast is associated with gangster rap is because the prevalance of gangs over. in the south, all people wanted was status (jewelry, cars, gold teeth, etc.) so, a lot of these same cats that made music about things people saw in their every day lives are now whining about record labels and dropping thousands of dollars and necklaces. for me, I cant relate to that shit. Its whats popular now though. Lil wayne used to be good. Jay z used to rap about grimey shit, now he's a unbelievably wealthy but still makes good music.Uzique wrote:
i don't understand the fascination with hip-hop and poverty. it's like demanding every rock band be middle-class and privately educated because the first wave of classic rock was english public school. music should transcend all that shit; art shouldn't subscribe to class. yeah so nas made some good albums about crack-rocks and the projects... doesn't mean every hip-hop album should be just as broke.
Ive also noticed within the last few years there has been more of a fusion between hip hop and soft wannabe r&b pussy shit. I guess thats where the money is.
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yeah, shitty rapping with soft autotuned hookseleven bravo wrote:
Ive also noticed within the last few years there has been more of a fusion between hip hop and soft wannabe r&b pussy shit. I guess thats where the money is.
i think for all extensive purposes, in mainstream recognition, the genre-tag of 'rap' is different from 'hip-hop'.
by that i mean, when mainstream-publications or labels or fans talk about 'rap', they're talking about the new eminem record or lil wayne or jay-z. when they talk about underground stuff, or roots stuff, or that old boom-bap... it's 'hip-hop', because it's closer to the original source: real MC'ing, scratching etc. i dunno if people talk about the terms so differently over there in USA; i guess here in england it's like we can observe the whole thing from the outside and pick it apart kinda easier. i imagine in the US the genres of 'rap' and 'hip-hop' are pretty much one and the same to any average fan.
by that i mean, when mainstream-publications or labels or fans talk about 'rap', they're talking about the new eminem record or lil wayne or jay-z. when they talk about underground stuff, or roots stuff, or that old boom-bap... it's 'hip-hop', because it's closer to the original source: real MC'ing, scratching etc. i dunno if people talk about the terms so differently over there in USA; i guess here in england it's like we can observe the whole thing from the outside and pick it apart kinda easier. i imagine in the US the genres of 'rap' and 'hip-hop' are pretty much one and the same to any average fan.
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i see hip-hop as more of a culture
when talking to other english people about it, i'll always say im a fan of '(underground) hip-hop' before i ever say 'rap'. i think it's just because as i said before 'rap music' over here in eminem and drake and stuff that generally penetrates the top10 charts, or is mainstream-signed. mainstream music obviously follows the cash-trends so, yeah, you get the auto-tuned melodies and the stupid ricky-ross style tin-drums. that's 'rap' to us over here. hip-hop is when we're talking about deeper, roots, 'culture' shit... sure.
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from what I understand, underground is more mainstream over there and what would probably be considered hip hop/rap over here would probably fall into the category of pop music over there. does underground get any kind of radio play?Uzique wrote:
i think for all extensive purposes, in mainstream recognition, the genre-tag of 'rap' is different from 'hip-hop'.
by that i mean, when mainstream-publications or labels or fans talk about 'rap', they're talking about the new eminem record or lil wayne or jay-z. when they talk about underground stuff, or roots stuff, or that old boom-bap... it's 'hip-hop', because it's closer to the original source: real MC'ing, scratching etc. i dunno if people talk about the terms so differently over there in USA; i guess here in england it's like we can observe the whole thing from the outside and pick it apart kinda easier. i imagine in the US the genres of 'rap' and 'hip-hop' are pretty much one and the same to any average fan.
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I've never really known the actual difference(s) between the genres/words ... I assumed that "rap" just meant to rap, as in the verb, and hip-hop songs contained rap.
But yeah, I don't know anything about it.
But yeah, I don't know anything about it.
I got work in a few minutes. Plus the last time I played against you, you were a girl and you sucked.
I always assumed that hip-hop was a more structured thing with very neat timing and a prominent beat, whereas rap was a more flow-oriented thing that was not quite as organized.
but idunnolol
but idunnolol
no because we have our own 'underground'. our mainstream stuff copies the american pop-trends... or the major-rappers, i.e. the mainstream ones. our underground scene is english MC'ing, grime, UK hip-hop and stuff, which is still incredibly niche (and not really very good, either). like when you described the themes and major styles of east-coast and dirty-south rap (e.g. gang culture and from rags-to-riches)- the main themes over here in the UK scene seem to be 'copy america' or 'rap about council estates'. both are wank topics and it makes shit music.eleven bravo wrote:
from what I understand, underground is more mainstream over there and what would probably be considered hip hop/rap over here would probably fall into the category of pop music over there. does underground get any kind of radio play?Uzique wrote:
i think for all extensive purposes, in mainstream recognition, the genre-tag of 'rap' is different from 'hip-hop'.
by that i mean, when mainstream-publications or labels or fans talk about 'rap', they're talking about the new eminem record or lil wayne or jay-z. when they talk about underground stuff, or roots stuff, or that old boom-bap... it's 'hip-hop', because it's closer to the original source: real MC'ing, scratching etc. i dunno if people talk about the terms so differently over there in USA; i guess here in england it's like we can observe the whole thing from the outside and pick it apart kinda easier. i imagine in the US the genres of 'rap' and 'hip-hop' are pretty much one and the same to any average fan.
'underground' hip-hop fans over here normally circle around a few notable acts or a few specific label catalogues. bearing in mind over here that we don't really actually have ghetto-culture or large african minorities, so it's by and large a bunch of white-boys listening to hip-hop and taking from it what they can. so it's more of a like indie-underground crossover fusion here in terms of taste, as opposed to just straight hard-underground stuff (because I know from my own explorations that there's shitloads of that over there in america that would never ever find a fanbase here).
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no one is untouchable, no man is bulletproof, we all must meet our moment of truth
listening to gang starr right now
you know we connect, jfk to lax
you know we connect, jfk to lax
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Yo I got one lyric pointed at your head for start
Another one, is pointed at your weak ass heart
Now if I pull the trigger, on these fully loaded lines
You're gonna wish I woulda pulled a black nine, I mack dimes
Another one, is pointed at your weak ass heart
Now if I pull the trigger, on these fully loaded lines
You're gonna wish I woulda pulled a black nine, I mack dimes
underground west coast gangster shit in the early 90's
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Brotha Lynch Hung (born Kevin Mann) is a rapper from Sacramento, CA. Lynch Hung’s lyrics are notorious for featuring highly explicit themes, including murder, rape and cannibalism
cannibalism? niggawaaaaaattt
cannibalism? niggawaaaaaattt
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eleven bravo wrote:
all aboard on my ride to memory lane
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