Because they're not much use in general.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Why shouldn't the U.S. import kids from Mexico to school them?AussieReaper wrote:
I'm sure he could have got just as good an education in Mexi... oh wait.
He couldn't have.
I say good luck to him.
I'm sure kids could have had just as much to eat in Afri-... oh wait.
They can't.
Why shouldn't the U.S. import kids from Africa?
Yeah I know they do interviews. But the point is, he lied about his legal status. That is the absolute first prerequisite on all apps, are you a U.S. citizen? Then later you "sign" and say all the above is true to your knowledge. Soooooooo. yeah. Real upstanding fellow.ghettoperson wrote:
They do interviews you know. And also check up on this stuff. The only think he'll have lied about is legal status. That or Harvard didn't care.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You want to say either that you don't think he lied on his application or you don't think that makes a difference?
What should be and what is are two completely different things.AussieReaper wrote:
Education should be based on your ability, not nationality.
You of all people I thought would understand that, FM. You know how diverse a college campus is, and the foreign students don't work any less harder than the US born and bred.
Is an American Harvard grad not worth as much as a Mexican Harvard grad? It's not as if there isn't a long, long line to get into these schools.Bertster7 wrote:
Because they're not much use in general.
Harvard graduates on the other hand, probably provide a fairly decent stimulus to the economy.
A lot of things should be different, but they're not. Sure, he's been enrolled at Harvard, but how the hell did he get in there in the first place? Also, I'm sure there are plenty of just as capable Americans who would love to be going to Harvard on the scholarships they're giving this kid.AussieReaper wrote:
Education should be based on your ability, not nationality.
You of all people I thought would understand that, FM. You know how diverse a college campus is, and the foreign students don't work any less harder than the US born and bred.
lol you're completely right, one white lie to get into the college of your dreams when otherwise you've got no chance makes you a real scumbag.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yeah I know they do interviews. But the point is, he lied about his legal status. That is the absolute first prerequisite on all apps, are you a U.S. citizen? Then later you "sign" and say all the above is true to your knowledge. Soooooooo. yeah. Real upstanding fellow.ghettoperson wrote:
They do interviews you know. And also check up on this stuff. The only think he'll have lied about is legal status. That or Harvard didn't care.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You want to say either that you don't think he lied on his application or you don't think that makes a difference?
It's like suggesting that lying about your criminal record to a potential employer is also just a "white lie", and that the employee should get a pass if the truth is uncovered.ghettoperson wrote:
lol you're completely right, one white lie to get into the college of your dreams when otherwise you've got no chance makes you a real scumbag.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yeah I know they do interviews. But the point is, he lied about his legal status. That is the absolute first prerequisite on all apps, are you a U.S. citizen? Then later you "sign" and say all the above is true to your knowledge. Soooooooo. yeah. Real upstanding fellow.ghettoperson wrote:
They do interviews you know. And also check up on this stuff. The only think he'll have lied about is legal status. That or Harvard didn't care.
When the girl I dated in high school was applying to colleges she put down that she was an African American on all of her applications due to affirmative action. She was Jewish and her grandparents were from South AfricaFlaming_Maniac wrote:
real upstanding fellow
You've obviously never visited the UT campus... it's like a Hitler Youth block party.AussieReaper wrote:
Education should be based on your ability, not nationality.
You of all people I thought would understand that, FM. You know how diverse a college campus is, and the foreign students don't work any less harder than the US born and bred.
AussieReaper wrote:
Education should be based on your ability, not nationality.
Well then if you agree that it should be, than what is you're problem with this case?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
What should be and what is are two completely different things.
The US should be scouring the world for the tops kids to come there, but in most cases it's the other way around. However, Harvard should be looking for the brightest people around the world, especially if it is likely that they will remain in the US after getting their degree. Which is likely for this kid, unless you think he'll go use his Harvard Degree to find a job back in Mexico...Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You didn't respond to my point. Why should the top U.S. schools not be actively scouring the world for any and all kids to come there? Why shouldn't all kids be given the chance to attend American public schools?
Why is he an illegal immigrant? What's so "illegal" about him as a person? He's a nasty cue jumper who should have waited his turn at the border? He overstayed a visa?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The world isn't fair. It's not even as if he shouldn't be allowed to attend because he is an immigrant - he shouldn't be allowed to attend because he is an illegal immigrant. In 2009 there were 29,114 and were admitted 2,175 - you can bet that with numbers like that, he knocked out some other, legal immigrants too.
Tell that to the kid who deserved to get in to the college of his dreams who didn't because this guy lied.ghettoperson wrote:
lol you're completely right, one white lie to get into the college of your dreams when otherwise you've got no chance makes you a real scumbag.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yeah I know they do interviews. But the point is, he lied about his legal status. That is the absolute first prerequisite on all apps, are you a U.S. citizen? Then later you "sign" and say all the above is true to your knowledge. Soooooooo. yeah. Real upstanding fellow.ghettoperson wrote:
They do interviews you know. And also check up on this stuff. The only think he'll have lied about is legal status. That or Harvard didn't care.
someone is rationalizing like crazyReciprocity wrote:
only dirty criminals lie on applications. it's a fact.
not quite, but it's hardly a rainbowJohnG@lt wrote:
You've obviously never visited the UT campus... it's like a Hitler Youth block party.AussieReaper wrote:
Education should be based on your ability, not nationality.
You of all people I thought would understand that, FM. You know how diverse a college campus is, and the foreign students don't work any less harder than the US born and bred.
Because you don't change the world by justifying individual cases of rule-breaking. The individual case is meaningless in the larger sense, and in the smaller sense all that happened is he screwed over someone who played by the rules and should have gotten in.AussieReaper wrote:
Well then if you agree that it should be, than what is you're problem with this case?
Top colleges don't look for people period. People come to them. And they accept lots of people from other countries. They don't accept illegals from other countries.AussieReaper wrote:
The US should be scouring the world for the tops kids to come there, but in most cases it's the other way around. However, Harvard should be looking for the brightest people around the world, especially if it is likely that they will remain in the US after getting their degree. Which is likely for this kid, unless you think he'll go use his Harvard Degree to find a job back in Mexico...Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You didn't respond to my point. Why should the top U.S. schools not be actively scouring the world for any and all kids to come there? Why shouldn't all kids be given the chance to attend American public schools?
lolAussieReaper wrote:
What's so "illegal" about him as a person?
The kid who wasn't as smart or impressive as this little illegal bastard?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Tell that to the kid who deserved to get in to the college of his dreams who didn't because this guy lied.
And clearly you have not gone through the admissions process for top-tier schools.Reciprocity wrote:
The kid who wasn't as smart or impressive as this little illegal bastard?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Tell that to the kid who deserved to get in to the college of his dreams who didn't because this guy lied.
I'm surprised he got away with it as long as he did.The fresh-faced 23-year-old accused of faking his way into Harvard University and thousands of dollars in scholarships and financial aid entered a plea of not guilty in court today.
Adam Wheeler, a Delaware native who bragged about having perfect SAT scores, faces 20 charges, including identity fraud, larceny and forgery. Wheeler is being held at the Middlesex Jail in Massachusetts. A bail of $5,000 was set and his next court appearance is June 9.
Prosecutors said Wheeler faked his entire educational career, duping college and scholarship officials alike and snagging more than $45,000 in grants, scholarships, financial aid and other funds that he didn't deserve.
Wheeler's parents and a female friend looked stricken in court, especially when Assistant District Attorney John Verner told the court that a call from Yale to Wheeler's parents may have prompted them to say something that inadvertently led to their son's arrrest.
His lawyer, Steven Sussman, noted today that Wheeler had no prior "involvement with criminal law."
But prosecutors said Wheeler kept up his ruse for years, using realistic-looking fake transcripts and documents.
Wheeler's apparent lies began to unravel in September when, as a senior at Harvard, he applied for the prestigious Rhodes and Fulbright scholarships.
Quick question... Do the U.K. or the Netherlands allow illegal immigrants to study at their universities (private or public)?ghettoperson wrote:
People don't tend to get into Harvard because they're illegal, they get in because they're fucking smart. If he's smart enough to get in, good for him.
Apparently, a lack of ethics = intelligence?...seymorebutts443 wrote:
If the guy was smart enough to bypass the admissions for harvard, i think he deserves to be there.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You want to say either that you don't think he lied on his application or you don't think that makes a difference?
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What does an illegal lying to get into Harvard have to do with welfare or affirmative action?JohnG@lt wrote:
Why not? It serves every purpose I could hope for. It will undermine and destroy the nanny state bullshit and entitlements, it will put scores of idiot white trash people who don't deserve a job out of work and possibly make them actually try in life (read: it will destroy unions), and the higher the population of a country, the higher its potential for wealth is.lowing wrote:
Wait a second, there might be "millions of foreign students enrolled in colleges across the nation", but how many of them are here legally?JohnG@lt wrote:
This, and there are millions of foreign students currently enrolled in colleges across the nation. I used to read Fox News for my daily current events fix but with all the ranting about illegal aliens lately I'm really turned off.
There is a difference, and I can not believe you have no concerns over illegal immigration.
I don't care if they speak English, the US has no official language. I don't care if they arrive in this country poor, 99% of the ancestors of those living in this country today arrived in the same manner. I don't care about the color of their skin, people were bigoted against Italians when they first started emigrating here too because of their olive skin.
As soon as we tear down the entitlement systems that were built out of guilt for black people we'll all be better off. Sink or swim time baby, and I have the buoyancy of a duck.
Of course. Monetary value should trump immigration laws, right? I mean, if it's more profitable to break the law, why not?Bertster7 wrote:
Because they're not much use in general.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Why shouldn't the U.S. import kids from Mexico to school them?AussieReaper wrote:
I'm sure he could have got just as good an education in Mexi... oh wait.
He couldn't have.
I say good luck to him.
I'm sure kids could have had just as much to eat in Afri-... oh wait.
They can't.
Why shouldn't the U.S. import kids from Africa?
Harvard graduates on the other hand, probably provide a fairly decent stimulus to the economy.
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Pretty much... The inconsistency and stupidity of our systems is what makes America rather laughable in its integrity.mikkel wrote:
Motherfucker. I.C.E. need an overhaul if they're so thoroughly corrupt that they stand firm in their belief that it's just fine for them to selectively neglect to enforce immigration law. That guy needs to be on the first flight out.
Well, if you don't mind, we're going to sneak a few Mexicans into your system. Also, there are some Chinese and Malaysians we need to give better opportunities to as well, so surely you'll understand if they refuse to file the right paperwork and lie on their applications.AussieReaper wrote:
I'm sure he could have got just as good an education in Mexi... oh wait.
He couldn't have.
I say good luck to him.
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Well, here's the weird thing about colleges in America...Cybargs wrote:
Couldn't he just get a student visa wtf? Acceptance into US college = instant student visa.
And Harvard DOES NOT get federal funding... It is a private school ffs.
I sdon't give a shit about any of that stuff either, except the language issue. what I do give a shit about is people coming here illegally, and mooching off of our system that they do not pay into.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why not? It serves every purpose I could hope for. It will undermine and destroy the nanny state bullshit and entitlements, it will put scores of idiot white trash people who don't deserve a job out of work and possibly make them actually try in life (read: it will destroy unions), and the higher the population of a country, the higher its potential for wealth is.lowing wrote:
Wait a second, there might be "millions of foreign students enrolled in colleges across the nation", but how many of them are here legally?JohnG@lt wrote:
This, and there are millions of foreign students currently enrolled in colleges across the nation. I used to read Fox News for my daily current events fix but with all the ranting about illegal aliens lately I'm really turned off.
There is a difference, and I can not believe you have no concerns over illegal immigration.
I don't care if they speak English, the US has no official language. I don't care if they arrive in this country poor, 99% of the ancestors of those living in this country today arrived in the same manner. I don't care about the color of their skin, people were bigoted against Italians when they first started emigrating here too because of their olive skin.
As soon as we tear down the entitlement systems that were built out of guilt for black people we'll all be better off. Sink or swim time baby, and I have the buoyancy of a duck.
To get into Harvard your language and mathematics ability has to be really really fucking high too =/ 2100+ SAT scores are the norm for Ivy Leagues, and good ass grades, and loads of extracurricular activities oh and excellent essay.lowing wrote:
I sdon't give a shit about any of that stuff either, except the language issue. what I do give a shit about is people coming here illegally, and mooching off of our system that they do not pay into.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why not? It serves every purpose I could hope for. It will undermine and destroy the nanny state bullshit and entitlements, it will put scores of idiot white trash people who don't deserve a job out of work and possibly make them actually try in life (read: it will destroy unions), and the higher the population of a country, the higher its potential for wealth is.lowing wrote:
Wait a second, there might be "millions of foreign students enrolled in colleges across the nation", but how many of them are here legally?
There is a difference, and I can not believe you have no concerns over illegal immigration.
I don't care if they speak English, the US has no official language. I don't care if they arrive in this country poor, 99% of the ancestors of those living in this country today arrived in the same manner. I don't care about the color of their skin, people were bigoted against Italians when they first started emigrating here too because of their olive skin.
As soon as we tear down the entitlement systems that were built out of guilt for black people we'll all be better off. Sink or swim time baby, and I have the buoyancy of a duck.
Come here legally, learn the language and pay your fair share, like the rest of us. I can not wander into another country legally and take every advantage of being in that country, including NOT learning their language. I do not expect it to be done here.
Why try and deport millions of people spread throughout a large country and waste hundreds of millions of dollars? All they're going to do is come right back over the border and we would be right back to square 1. If they commit a crime, lock them up and have them serve their time here then deport them. By letting Illegals stay and give birth to American citizens(read: tax payers). Seems like the smarter option for the US innit.Turquoise wrote:
Pretty much... The inconsistency and stupidity of our systems is what makes America rather laughable in its integrity.mikkel wrote:
Motherfucker. I.C.E. need an overhaul if they're so thoroughly corrupt that they stand firm in their belief that it's just fine for them to selectively neglect to enforce immigration law. That guy needs to be on the first flight out.
We're not a country worth defending anymore.
Illegally entering the country is a serious crime.13/f/taiwan wrote:
The Federal Government gets calls from Local Law Enforcement agencies all across the nation who have detained illegals everyday.
LLE: "Hello, we have an illegal immigrant in our custody."
Feds: "Did he/she commit a crime?"
LLE: "No."
Feds: "Then let them go."
Excellent reasoning. Why enforce laws?13/f/taiwan wrote:
Why try and deport millions of people spread throughout a large country and waste hundreds of millions of dollars? All they're going to do is come right back over the border and we would be right back to square 1.Turquoise wrote:
Pretty much... The inconsistency and stupidity of our systems is what makes America rather laughable in its integrity.mikkel wrote:
Motherfucker. I.C.E. need an overhaul if they're so thoroughly corrupt that they stand firm in their belief that it's just fine for them to selectively neglect to enforce immigration law. That guy needs to be on the first flight out.
We're not a country worth defending anymore.
Yes, what better option for the U.S. than to ignore immigration law so that illegal aliens can abuse the system in any manner? How do you even propose for that to make sense?13/f/taiwan wrote:
If they commit a crime, lock them up and have them serve their time here then deport them. By letting Illegals stay and give birth to American citizens(read: tax payers). Seems like the smarter option for the US innit.
Mikkel already said most of what I would have, but I'll add a few things.13/f/taiwan wrote:
Why try and deport millions of people spread throughout a large country and waste hundreds of millions of dollars? All they're going to do is come right back over the border and we would be right back to square 1. If they commit a crime, lock them up and have them serve their time here then deport them. By letting Illegals stay and give birth to American citizens(read: tax payers). Seems like the smarter option for the US innit.