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2010-05-19 04:37:07
Varegg
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11 Bravo wrote:

Varegg wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

if the whole country was radicals, one nuke = all dead.
I was only referring to the young, poor, uneducated and impressionable that would have flooded both countries if they all where radicals ... not the whole country ...

Read more than the headlines and you get a more diverse view of it all ...
been to both countries, dont need headlines.  thank you.
That you came back alive must mean not all Muslims are radical then ... or?
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2010-05-19 04:37:27
LostFate
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11 Bravo wrote:

if the whole country was radicals, one nuke = all dead.
I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
2010-05-19 04:37:55
Spark
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sufism is good. wahabism... not so much, i'll be very frightened if their campaign of systematic "extermination" against sufis is successful.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-19 04:38:06
Cybargs
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LostFate wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

if the whole country was radicals, one nuke = all dead.
I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
How was nuking nagasaki and hiroshima a mistake?
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2010-05-19 04:38:08
11 Bravo
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LostFate wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

if the whole country was radicals, one nuke = all dead.
I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
no shit sherlock.  that wasnt what i was advocating.
2010-05-19 04:39:27
11 Bravo
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Varegg wrote:

That you came back alive must mean not all Muslims are radical then ... or?
i didnt say all did i?  wow you made a nice reach there.  typical lowing reach tbh.  point proven.  leaving thread.
2010-05-19 04:43:18
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


We're not talking about a blow of a wind lowing, what turns moderate Muslims into radicals can be described as a hurricane ... I don't support their actions but I believe I grasp the reasons for those that turn radical ...
really? You consider a cartoon as a hurricane? Wow
There is more to the stalemate between radical Islam and western society than just a cartoon ...
and yet it only takes a cartoon to turn an otherwise previously considered moderate into a radical. Hense my point
2010-05-19 04:45:21
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


really? You consider a cartoon as a hurricane? Wow
There is more to the stalemate between radical Islam and western society than just a cartoon ...
and yet it only takes a cartoon to turn an otherwise previously considered moderate into a radical. Hense my point
The point was it did take more than a cartoon ...
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2010-05-19 04:46:37
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


There is more to the stalemate between radical Islam and western society than just a cartoon ...
and yet it only takes a cartoon to turn an otherwise previously considered moderate into a radical. Hense my point
The point was it did take more than a cartoon ...
uhhhhhhhhh no it didn't....THe dsay before the cartoon Muslims went on their merry way in the west. The day after, shit is gettnig blown up and people killed, by these same people.
2010-05-19 04:59:16
m3thod
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2010-05-19 04:59:45
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


and yet it only takes a cartoon to turn an otherwise previously considered moderate into a radical. Hense my point
The point was it did take more than a cartoon ...
uhhhhhhhhh no it didn't....THe dsay before the cartoon Muslims went on their merry way in the west. The day after, shit is gettnig blown up and people killed, by these same people.
If you knew the history you would have noticed that the first time the cartoons got printed there actually wasn't much more than just protests in the beginning ... and at that time 911, invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq had already happened ...
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2010-05-19 05:10:44
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


The point was it did take more than a cartoon ...
uhhhhhhhhh no it didn't....THe dsay before the cartoon Muslims went on their merry way in the west. The day after, shit is gettnig blown up and people killed, by these same people.
If you knew the history you would have noticed that the first time the cartoons got printed there actually wasn't much more than just protests in the beginning ... and at that time 911, invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq had already happened ...
It was the first time of which I speak, death threats, riots, fire bombings ensued all over this bullshit cartoon from otherwise moderate muslims.
2010-05-19 05:19:37
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


uhhhhhhhhh no it didn't....THe dsay before the cartoon Muslims went on their merry way in the west. The day after, shit is gettnig blown up and people killed, by these same people.
If you knew the history you would have noticed that the first time the cartoons got printed there actually wasn't much more than just protests in the beginning ... and at that time 911, invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq had already happened ...
It was the first time of which I speak, death threats, riots, fire bombings ensued all over this bullshit cartoon from otherwise moderate muslims.
Then you clearly don't know the history very well ...
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2010-05-19 05:25:04
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Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Face.

Palm.

lol at the guy who brought his daughter to the event, though.

Turquoise wrote:

It is true that Islam is highly prone to violent interpretations because well...  Mohammed was a warlord.  Clearly, his message (and lifestyle) was not as peaceful as Christ's, for example.  Of course, the Middle Ages showed us that you can even turn a religion based on a pacifist into a weapon for war as well.
Not trying to justify various atrocities committed by either side, but Christian Europe in the middle ages had every reason to be paranoid about the advance of Islam.
This is true, although what Christians did to the pagans was uncalled for.  Before Muslims and Christians were enemies, Christians basically killed off most of the various other religions throughout Europe.  While many people chose to convert to Christianity, others were killed for refusing to convert -- in much the same way that Muslims did to the pagans of their lands.
/captainobviouspic

One of the key issues is that it is no longer a modern issue with for Christianity.
2010-05-19 05:41:18
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


If you knew the history you would have noticed that the first time the cartoons got printed there actually wasn't much more than just protests in the beginning ... and at that time 911, invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq had already happened ...
It was the first time of which I speak, death threats, riots, fire bombings ensued all over this bullshit cartoon from otherwise moderate muslims.
Then you clearly don't know the history very well ...
Hmmm I remember the riots over the Danish cartoon. I guess it was just media bias that makes me think it happened?
2010-05-19 05:43:43
LostFate
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11 Bravo wrote:

LostFate wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

if the whole country was radicals, one nuke = all dead.
I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
no shit sherlock.  that wasnt what i was advocating.
you could have fooled me you fucking pleb. why word it so?
2010-05-19 05:46:49
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

It was the first time of which I speak, death threats, riots, fire bombings ensued all over this bullshit cartoon from otherwise moderate muslims.
Then you clearly don't know the history very well ...
Hmmm I remember the riots over the Danish cartoon. I guess it was just media bias that makes me think it happened?
The riots started after the cartoons was reprinted in a Norwegian newspaper and then in newspapers around the world shortly after ... the first time in the Danish newspaper it produced mainly protests and condemnations ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-19 05:47:57
LostFate
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Cybargs wrote:

LostFate wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

if the whole country was radicals, one nuke = all dead.
I think we're all big enough and mature enough from previous mistakes to realize this is a very bad idea.
How was nuking nagasaki and hiroshima a mistake?
I think killing 250,000 approx people, mainly innocent civilians is quite frankly a fuck up.
2010-05-19 05:48:57
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Then you clearly don't know the history very well ...
Hmmm I remember the riots over the Danish cartoon. I guess it was just media bias that makes me think it happened?
The riots started after the cartoons was reprinted in a Norwegian newspaper and then in newspapers around the world shortly after ... the first time in the Danish newspaper it produced mainly protests and condemnations ...
because being preinted in a local newspaper did not make it widely known it happened, until word got out. Regardless, the point still stands, it took a cartoon to turn moderates into radicals.
2010-05-19 05:50:50
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


Hmmm I remember the riots over the Danish cartoon. I guess it was just media bias that makes me think it happened?
The riots started after the cartoons was reprinted in a Norwegian newspaper and then in newspapers around the world shortly after ... the first time in the Danish newspaper it produced mainly protests and condemnations ...
because being preinted in a local newspaper did not make it widely known it happened, until word got out. Regardless, the point still stands, it took a cartoon to turn moderates into radicals.
So you totally ignore the conflicts between "us and them" before 2005?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-19 05:55:39
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


The riots started after the cartoons was reprinted in a Norwegian newspaper and then in newspapers around the world shortly after ... the first time in the Danish newspaper it produced mainly protests and condemnations ...
because being preinted in a local newspaper did not make it widely known it happened, until word got out. Regardless, the point still stands, it took a cartoon to turn moderates into radicals.
So you totally ignore the conflicts between "us and them" before 2005?
nope, what I am saying, and you seem to be excusing is, if they are going to start blowing shit up, and killing people, the last straw was a cartoon. Before that moderates were not involved in the "conflicts". It took a cartoon to involve them
2010-05-19 06:01:17
Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


because being preinted in a local newspaper did not make it widely known it happened, until word got out. Regardless, the point still stands, it took a cartoon to turn moderates into radicals.
So you totally ignore the conflicts between "us and them" before 2005?
nope, what I am saying, and you seem to be excusing is, if they are going to start blowing shit up, and killing people, the last straw was a cartoon. Before that moderates were not involved in the "conflicts". It took a cartoon to involve them
Okay ... ... I guess you can interpret it into that conclusion when you lack basic knowledge about the issue ...

I'm not excusing radical behaviour lowing, just trying to understand it ... huge difference ...
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2010-05-19 06:24:37
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


So you totally ignore the conflicts between "us and them" before 2005?
nope, what I am saying, and you seem to be excusing is, if they are going to start blowing shit up, and killing people, the last straw was a cartoon. Before that moderates were not involved in the "conflicts". It took a cartoon to involve them
Okay ... ... I guess you can interpret it into that conclusion when you lack basic knowledge about the issue ...

I'm not excusing radical behaviour lowing, just trying to understand it ... huge difference ...
and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
2010-05-19 06:26:47
Spark
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:


nope, what I am saying, and you seem to be excusing is, if they are going to start blowing shit up, and killing people, the last straw was a cartoon. Before that moderates were not involved in the "conflicts". It took a cartoon to involve them
Okay ... ... I guess you can interpret it into that conclusion when you lack basic knowledge about the issue ...

I'm not excusing radical behaviour lowing, just trying to understand it ... huge difference ...
and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
How do you know this?

How do you know that it was the moderates who were taking to violence and not just protesting?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2010-05-19 06:30:17
lowing
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Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Okay ... ... I guess you can interpret it into that conclusion when you lack basic knowledge about the issue ...

I'm not excusing radical behaviour lowing, just trying to understand it ... huge difference ...
and you can dismiss it all you want....The fact is, otherwise moderate muslims took to violence over a cartoon, who before the cartoons were not involved in any conflicts.. Period.

There is no rationally understanding irrational behavior.
How do you know this?

How do you know that it was the moderates who were taking to violence and not just protesting?
Yer right, I don't know, but  I feel confident that the riots included more than bussed in Al Queda operatives from Afghanistan training camps... Just an assumption I admit.

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