nope, I feel Islam teaches that, and those teachings are used to justify that action. Islam sucks.Beduin wrote:
do you also feel that muslims are out there to convert/kill you?11 Bravo wrote:
nyc is a shithole and should be ignored tbh.
wtf, islamic leader?lowing wrote:
nope they are not. If you do not follow the teachings of Islam, then you are not following Islam.
http://www.breitbart.tv/muslim-leader-a … -of-peace/
Even Islamic leaders are telling you this.
Our sensationalist and irresponsible media has, in fact, been deeply complicit in the rise and rise of this fanatic, devoting quite disproportionate and counter-productive coverage to his various rantings. Is Choudary an Islamic scholar whose views merit attention or consideration? No. Has he studied under leading Islamic scholars? Nope. Does he have any Islamic qualifications or credentials? None whatsoever. So what gives him the right to pontificate on Islam, British Muslims or "the hellfire"? Or proclaim himself a "sharia judge"? Will he even manage to round up enough misfits to carry the 500 coffins with him? I doubt it – Choudary and co couldn't even persuade enough people to join a "march for sharia" that they had proudly planned to hold in central London in late October, and, at the very last minute, had to humiliatingly withdraw from their own rally. Pathetic, eh?
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … on-bassett
Yes you are, you wrote that yourself. It is ok.lowing wrote:
nopeBeduin wrote:
do you also feel that muslims are out there to convert/kill you?11 Bravo wrote:
nyc is a shithole and should be ignored tbh.
I wanted to know if marine share that with you...
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
funny, it is "spoonfed" by Islamic teaching, Islamic action, Islamic leadership. It is not like these are facts someone made up. Islam itself is used to draw this conclusion.Uzique wrote:
lol ignoring the fact that your logic said that the bbc-article muslims were a "few"...
and the implication that the extremists that they condemn are somehow a bigger-minority...
lowing your view of islam is fucking crazy, dude. and it's all spoonfed by these whackjob ideologues.
do you see credible academics, scholars and real 'experts' engaging in blogspot-warfare with petty accusations? no? do authoritative sources get their websites taken offline for disagreeable/racist content? no? gee i guess the far-right conservative 'experts' on islam are just really unfortunately bullied by the world, huh.
Your dismissing, ignore, denying any of it does not change that. Sorry.
I know, try posting something credible this time. ( I know how important credibility is to you) Maybe addressing the information and not the source or the author? I dunno that might work.
By the way, I did not engage in "blogspot warfare". All I did was provide information....You and your sheep engaged in it and celebrated your "victory" in that warfare. Funny how now all of a sudden "blogspot warfare" is not something you wish to engage in. I did notice how you all down played it, and shut up about it, after sooooooooooo much back patting and high fiving and karma-ing in celebration. I love bf2s lol
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can you please show me where I posted that Muslims were out to kill or convert me. Because I am pretty sure I wrote something along the lines that Islam teaches this.Beduin wrote:
wtf, islamic leader?lowing wrote:
nope they are not. If you do not follow the teachings of Islam, then you are not following Islam.
http://www.breitbart.tv/muslim-leader-a … -of-peace/
Even Islamic leaders are telling you this.Our sensationalist and irresponsible media has, in fact, been deeply complicit in the rise and rise of this fanatic, devoting quite disproportionate and counter-productive coverage to his various rantings. Is Choudary an Islamic scholar whose views merit attention or consideration? No. Has he studied under leading Islamic scholars? Nope. Does he have any Islamic qualifications or credentials? None whatsoever. So what gives him the right to pontificate on Islam, British Muslims or "the hellfire"? Or proclaim himself a "sharia judge"? Will he even manage to round up enough misfits to carry the 500 coffins with him? I doubt it – Choudary and co couldn't even persuade enough people to join a "march for sharia" that they had proudly planned to hold in central London in late October, and, at the very last minute, had to humiliatingly withdraw from their own rally. Pathetic, eh?
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … on-bassettYes you are, you wrote that yourself. It is ok.lowing wrote:
nopeBeduin wrote:
do you also feel that muslims are out there to convert/kill you?
I wanted to know if marine share that with you...
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Sure:lowing wrote:
can you please show me where I posted that Muslims were out to kill or convert me.
lowing wrote:
... forgive me if I choose to support the right to not let them kill me or convert me in the name of their religion creed or culture.
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Please take that in context, I have always maintained that, regardless of how MOST muslims live, their religion teaches something else.Beduin wrote:
Sure:lowing wrote:
can you please show me where I posted that Muslims were out to kill or convert me.lowing wrote:
... forgive me if I choose to support the right to not let them kill me or convert me in the name of their religion creed or culture.
I have maintained that, if you are not going to follow the teachings then you are not following the religion. You are right however, you can take what I wrote as meaning exactly how you read it. That was not my intention, nor do I feel that "All Muslims are out to get me". I do stand by the opinion that their religion advocates this however.
plus 1 for calling me out and winning.
lol ya mean Mr. "OH SNAP" disapproves all of a sudden?FatherTed wrote:
omfg make it stop
Stop it lowing. I can find many of your posts where I can clearly feel your fear. It is ok, nothing to be ashamed of.lowing wrote:
Please take that in context
It makes sense why you are... you!
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
sorry to burst your bubble, as I have stated, I do not fear nor give a fuck about Muslims ( or anyone else I do not know, do not love, or am not responsible for for that matter) I observe Islamic teaching, Islamic actions, and Islamic violence Islamic laws. Doing so does not exactly steer you down a road of peace love and tolerance. Get over it.Beduin wrote:
Stop it lowing. I can find many of your posts where I can clearly feel your fear. It is ok, nothing to be ashamed of.lowing wrote:
Please take that in context
It makes sense why you are... you!
yes. thread is 20+ pages long, i cant recall a single page where any decent discussion has gone on. i thought uzi's post might have fired a boltgun into it, but apparently not.lowing wrote:
lol ya mean Mr. "OH SNAP" disapproves all of a sudden?FatherTed wrote:
omfg make it stop
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
You are afraid of Islam, not muslims my dear friend.lowing wrote:
..I do not fear nor give a fuck about Muslims
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
you mean I shoulda just layed down with that bullshit? Or you recognize that his post was in fact bullshit?FatherTed wrote:
yes. thread is 20+ pages long, i cant recall a single page where any decent discussion has gone on. i thought uzi's post might have fired a boltgun into it, but apparently not.lowing wrote:
lol ya mean Mr. "OH SNAP" disapproves all of a sudden?FatherTed wrote:
omfg make it stop
I love the editing!! Again you are wrong, I am not afraid of Islam, I recognize Islam for what it is, and CHOOSE to advocate its absence from western society. That is not fear, it is an opinion and a choice based on the actions teachings and quotes that come from within it.Beduin wrote:
You are afraid of Islam, not muslims my dear friend.lowing wrote:
..I do not fear nor give a fuck about Muslims
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He's substantiated that he used to run the site cairbaby.com which was forced to shut down for hosting illegal racist content.lowing wrote:
By the way, have you substantiated the claim that Glen Reinsford is an ex-con and a neo-Nazi? Still waiting on that.
He's had a website shut down for inciting racial hatred. You don't think that tarnishes the reputation of his new site? You still think it's a credible source despite his track record?
The religionofpeace site itself is blocked by a number of ISPs and net filtering companies - not a good sign.
The sites that you get all your bullshit rhetoric from are racist hate sites. People who subscribe to the views of racist hate sites are racists.
What is the consequences of having Islam present in western world?lowing wrote:
Again you are wrong, I am not afriad of Islam, I recognize Islam for what it is, and CHOOSE to advocate its absence from western society.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
...believe me, it will end up with the definition of "fear"
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
this: http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm "[March, 2010: I had to break my own rule here, because I can't help but note that Sutter is now saying that I am an African-American businessman living in Atlanta, when exactly one year ago, he was saying that I was a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi! If I'd known things were going to get this ridiculous, then I wouldn't have spent as much time as I originally did with this article.]" OOPS!!Bertster7 wrote:
He's substantiated that he used to run the site cairbaby.com which was forced to shut down for hosting illegal racist content.lowing wrote:
By the way, have you substantiated the claim that Glen Reinsford is an ex-con and a neo-Nazi? Still waiting on that.
He's had a website shut down for inciting racial hatred. You don't think that tarnishes the reputation of his new site? You still think it's a credible source despite his track record?
The religionofpeace site itself is blocked by a number of ISPs and net filtering companies - not a good sign.
The sites that you get all your bullshit rhetoric from are racist hate sites. People who subscribe to the views of racist hate sites are racists.
also, have you read his book? So what do you know about what he has written? How is Islam a race all of a sudden? He exposes Islam, attack the information, or have you not learned yet, NOT to attack the person or the source? Ask Uzi he will tell ya.
My guess would be the same consequences as having it present in the ME and Africa. Not favorable in any great number nor something I wish to explore. What would your opinion be? Let me guess, you share the views of that article earlier in the thread that suggested London would be better off under Islamic rule. Right?Beduin wrote:
What is the consequences of having Islam present in western world?lowing wrote:
Again you are wrong, I am not afriad of Islam, I recognize Islam for what it is, and CHOOSE to advocate its absence from western society.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
...believe me, it will end up with the definition of "fear"
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the book he has written is junk... i google book'd it earlier... hardcore right-wing conservative piff-paff. hardcore rhetoric, extremist views thinly-veiled beneath a pretense of 'professional objectivity'- and he hedges all of his controversial statements with somersaults-of-logic along the lines of: "though i openly hate and condemn islam, because muslims are not a race of people, i am therefore not racist". clearly he doesn't understand the legal defininition of racist... which is probably why his awful hate-spreading websites in the past have been shut-down and taken offline.lowing wrote:
this: http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm "[March, 2010: I had to break my own rule here, because I can't help but note that Sutter is now saying that I am an African-American businessman living in Atlanta, when exactly one year ago, he was saying that I was a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi! If I'd known things were going to get this ridiculous, then I wouldn't have spent as much time as I originally did with this article.]" OOPS!!Bertster7 wrote:
He's substantiated that he used to run the site cairbaby.com which was forced to shut down for hosting illegal racist content.lowing wrote:
By the way, have you substantiated the claim that Glen Reinsford is an ex-con and a neo-Nazi? Still waiting on that.
He's had a website shut down for inciting racial hatred. You don't think that tarnishes the reputation of his new site? You still think it's a credible source despite his track record?
The religionofpeace site itself is blocked by a number of ISPs and net filtering companies - not a good sign.
The sites that you get all your bullshit rhetoric from are racist hate sites. People who subscribe to the views of racist hate sites are racists.
also, have you read his book? So what do you know about what he has written? How is Islam a race all of a sudden? He exposes Islam, attack the information, or have you not learned yet, NOT to attack the person or the source? Ask Uzi he will tell ya.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Information is not worth anything unless it is from a credible source.lowing wrote:
this: http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm "[March, 2010: I had to break my own rule here, because I can't help but note that Sutter is now saying that I am an African-American businessman living in Atlanta, when exactly one year ago, he was saying that I was a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi! If I'd known things were going to get this ridiculous, then I wouldn't have spent as much time as I originally did with this article.]" OOPS!!Bertster7 wrote:
He's substantiated that he used to run the site cairbaby.com which was forced to shut down for hosting illegal racist content.lowing wrote:
By the way, have you substantiated the claim that Glen Reinsford is an ex-con and a neo-Nazi? Still waiting on that.
He's had a website shut down for inciting racial hatred. You don't think that tarnishes the reputation of his new site? You still think it's a credible source despite his track record?
The religionofpeace site itself is blocked by a number of ISPs and net filtering companies - not a good sign.
The sites that you get all your bullshit rhetoric from are racist hate sites. People who subscribe to the views of racist hate sites are racists.
also, have you read his book? So what do you know about what he has written? How is Islam a race all of a sudden? He exposes Islam, attack the information, or have you not learned yet, NOT to attack the person or the source? Ask Uzi he will tell ya.
I could write 20 websites and then use them as multiple sources for anything I chose to write. Anything not from a credible source can and should be dismissed.
All other allegations aside, the FACT that the website www.cairbaby.com was shut down is not in question. It is on record as being shut down for hosting content that incited racial hatred. www.cairbaby.com was published by Glen Reinsford. Your source has a history of having their websites shut down for inciting racial hatred.
Here's an archived copy of the frontpage for cairbaby:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070304120840/cairbaby.com/
You think sites like that are credible sources?
As for the whole "how is Islam a race" and "Wow, racism is a crime now? Are the thought police making many arrests over it?" - I don't know the legal framework surrounding this in the US, but in the UK this most certainly is a crime. It would be covered under the 2006 Racial and Religious Hatred Act - the same legislation that they used to arrest Abu Hamza.
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I coulda swore I address this earlier and you ignored it. Ahh yes, here it is. http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3225499Uzique wrote:
the book he has written is junk... i google book'd it earlier... hardcore right-wing conservative piff-paff. hardcore rhetoric, extremist views thinly-veiled beneath a pretense of 'professional objectivity'- and he hedges all of his controversial statements with somersaults-of-logic along the lines of: "though i openly hate and condemn islam, because muslims are not a race of people, i am therefore not racist". clearly he doesn't understand the legal defininition of racist... which is probably why his awful hate-spreading websites in the past have been shut-down and taken offline.lowing wrote:
this: http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm "[March, 2010: I had to break my own rule here, because I can't help but note that Sutter is now saying that I am an African-American businessman living in Atlanta, when exactly one year ago, he was saying that I was a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi! If I'd known things were going to get this ridiculous, then I wouldn't have spent as much time as I originally did with this article.]" OOPS!!Bertster7 wrote:
He's substantiated that he used to run the site cairbaby.com which was forced to shut down for hosting illegal racist content.
He's had a website shut down for inciting racial hatred. You don't think that tarnishes the reputation of his new site? You still think it's a credible source despite his track record?
The religionofpeace site itself is blocked by a number of ISPs and net filtering companies - not a good sign.
The sites that you get all your bullshit rhetoric from are racist hate sites. People who subscribe to the views of racist hate sites are racists.
also, have you read his book? So what do you know about what he has written? How is Islam a race all of a sudden? He exposes Islam, attack the information, or have you not learned yet, NOT to attack the person or the source? Ask Uzi he will tell ya.
Again you dismiss deny or ignore the guys reasoning and facts he uses to rationalize them. ADDRESS THE INFORMATION. not the source, you of all people here I thought woulda learned that by now, especially after your "research" lol
and yet Islam is STILL NOT A FUCKIN RACEBertster7 wrote:
Information is not worth anything unless it is from a credible source.lowing wrote:
this: http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm "[March, 2010: I had to break my own rule here, because I can't help but note that Sutter is now saying that I am an African-American businessman living in Atlanta, when exactly one year ago, he was saying that I was a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi! If I'd known things were going to get this ridiculous, then I wouldn't have spent as much time as I originally did with this article.]" OOPS!!Bertster7 wrote:
He's substantiated that he used to run the site cairbaby.com which was forced to shut down for hosting illegal racist content.
He's had a website shut down for inciting racial hatred. You don't think that tarnishes the reputation of his new site? You still think it's a credible source despite his track record?
The religionofpeace site itself is blocked by a number of ISPs and net filtering companies - not a good sign.
The sites that you get all your bullshit rhetoric from are racist hate sites. People who subscribe to the views of racist hate sites are racists.
also, have you read his book? So what do you know about what he has written? How is Islam a race all of a sudden? He exposes Islam, attack the information, or have you not learned yet, NOT to attack the person or the source? Ask Uzi he will tell ya.
I could write 20 websites and then use them as multiple sources for anything I chose to write. Anything not from a credible source can and should be dismissed.
All other allegations aside, the FACT that the website www.cairbaby.com was shut down is not in question. It is on record as being shut down for hosting content that incited racial hatred. www.cairbaby.com was published by Glen Reinsford. Your source has a history of having their websites shut down for inciting racial hatred.
Here's an archived copy of the frontpage for cairbaby:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070304120840/cairbaby.com/
You think sites like that are credible sources?
I dunno I am betting you karma'ed Uzi for his "credible source". Lie to me and tell me you didn't lmao!!!
cna you please show where it was shut down due to racial hatred? I mean something other than your beloved Jim Sutter?
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You must've missed my edit:lowing wrote:
and yet Islam is STILL NOT A FUCKIN RACEBertster7 wrote:
Information is not worth anything unless it is from a credible source.lowing wrote:
this: http://www.phonyrev.com/pages/theTROPwebsite.htm "[March, 2010: I had to break my own rule here, because I can't help but note that Sutter is now saying that I am an African-American businessman living in Atlanta, when exactly one year ago, he was saying that I was a White Supremacist and Neo-Nazi! If I'd known things were going to get this ridiculous, then I wouldn't have spent as much time as I originally did with this article.]" OOPS!!
also, have you read his book? So what do you know about what he has written? How is Islam a race all of a sudden? He exposes Islam, attack the information, or have you not learned yet, NOT to attack the person or the source? Ask Uzi he will tell ya.
I could write 20 websites and then use them as multiple sources for anything I chose to write. Anything not from a credible source can and should be dismissed.
All other allegations aside, the FACT that the website www.cairbaby.com was shut down is not in question. It is on record as being shut down for hosting content that incited racial hatred. www.cairbaby.com was published by Glen Reinsford. Your source has a history of having their websites shut down for inciting racial hatred.
Here's an archived copy of the frontpage for cairbaby:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070304120840/cairbaby.com/
You think sites like that are credible sources?
I dunno I am betting you karma'ed Uzi for his "credible source". Lie to me and tell me you didn't lmao!!!
cna you please show where it was shut down due to racial hatred? I mean something other than your beloved Jim Sutter?
As for the whole "how is Islam a race" and "Wow, racism is a crime now? Are the thought police making many arrests over it?" - I don't know the legal framework surrounding this in the US, but in the UK this most certainly is a crime. It would be covered under the 2006 Racial and Religious Hatred Act - the same legislation that they used to arrest Abu Hamza.
Ahh then it must be the religious act part and the racial act part that you should be referring. Sad really, iti s against the law to hate a religion? Holy Shit, it is worse than I thought. lol.Bertster7 wrote:
You must've missed my edit:lowing wrote:
and yet Islam is STILL NOT A FUCKIN RACEBertster7 wrote:
Information is not worth anything unless it is from a credible source.
I could write 20 websites and then use them as multiple sources for anything I chose to write. Anything not from a credible source can and should be dismissed.
All other allegations aside, the FACT that the website www.cairbaby.com was shut down is not in question. It is on record as being shut down for hosting content that incited racial hatred. www.cairbaby.com was published by Glen Reinsford. Your source has a history of having their websites shut down for inciting racial hatred.
Here's an archived copy of the frontpage for cairbaby:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070304120840/cairbaby.com/
You think sites like that are credible sources?
I dunno I am betting you karma'ed Uzi for his "credible source". Lie to me and tell me you didn't lmao!!!
cna you please show where it was shut down due to racial hatred? I mean something other than your beloved Jim Sutter?As for the whole "how is Islam a race" and "Wow, racism is a crime now? Are the thought police making many arrests over it?" - I don't know the legal framework surrounding this in the US, but in the UK this most certainly is a crime. It would be covered under the 2006 Racial and Religious Hatred Act - the same legislation that they used to arrest Abu Hamza.
How many Muslims have been arrested for thinking negatively about gays and womens equality?
C'mon admit it, you karma'ed Uzi for his credible source" and "research" didn't you? lol
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Actually, I haven't.lowing wrote:
I dunno I am betting you karma'ed Uzi for his "credible source". Lie to me and tell me you didn't lmao!!!
I might do so now though. Of course this will demonstrate that I'm not lying and that you're just wrong, again.
ya thats itBeduin wrote:
do you also feel that muslims are out there to convert/kill you?11 Bravo wrote:
nyc is a shithole and should be ignored tbh.