neo-wow, neo-stop neo-being neo-so neo hostile, neo-there neo-is neo-no neo-need neo-for neo-it.Uzique wrote:
shut up. fuck off. thanks.Uzique wrote:
face it: it's more confusing to keep using the 'old' terms without any prefixes, because their common-conception changes and public understanding shifts around so much, that in fact the word itself and terminology would lose all currency and semantic meaning. to use 'liberal' to describe an economic theory nowadays in the american political landscape connotes the usage from 1950-> onwards, and not the classical liberalism propounded by european philosophers, politicians and statesmen centuries before.
there, now ive debunked your whine... go away and leave out the next 3 pages of pointless quote-dialogue. thanks.
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Obama is still a neoliberal compared to people like FDR. The Democrats haven't really been socialist in a long time. Then again, it's like what happened with the Labour party. They became neoliberals too. The Conservative party is technically more left on many economic issues than the Labour party now.lowing wrote:
neo-liberal = a free market economy? might wanna tell the "NEO" -fascist in the white house. I don't think he agrees.Turquoise wrote:
Neo-liberal = favors free market economicslowing wrote:
neo-liberal?????????
Neoconservative = similar, but with heavy emphasis on interventionist foreign policy
In effect, true socialism in America died many decades ago, although we have a few vestiges of socialism like SS and public education.
Also, the military could be considered socialist as well.
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lowing you're being your typically absurd, ridiculous and pantomime self to hide the fact your brain can't cope with ANY form of new idea
including neologisms and newly developing classifications/terminologies
i feel sad for you; you have the mentality and mind of a 75 year old with severe dementia, and a computer with a will to express it
including neologisms and newly developing classifications/terminologies
i feel sad for you; you have the mentality and mind of a 75 year old with severe dementia, and a computer with a will to express it
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
yes, my ideas are old school, you get educated, you work, you EARN a living, you raise responsible kids, responsibly, you accept consequences for your actions and rewards for your achievements. You enter a country legally, you learn the language, and you contribute. You view welfare as a temporary hand-up, not an entitled life long hand-out.Uzique wrote:
lowing you're being your typically absurd, ridiculous and pantomime self to hide the fact your brain can't cope with ANY form of new idea
including neologisms and newly developing classifications/terminologies
i feel sad for you; you have the mentality and mind of a 75 year old with severe dementia, and a computer with a will to express it
I am not into all of your "neo"- BULLSHIT. Sorry, might wanna talk to some 75 year olds, you might learn something
its fascinating how you're turning a discussion about terminology into a rant against liberals. carry on.
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lol
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lowing is obviously a classic liberal and resents the modern association with the word.
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never mentioned liberals in my "rant", funny how you connect the dots.FatherTed wrote:
its fascinating how you're turning a discussion about terminology into a rant against liberals. carry on.
Whats even more funny is how you consider any ideology that actually speaks of owning up to your own responsibilities in life as mindless dribble and a "rant", something to be mocked and laughed at, instead of absolute truth .
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never mentioned liberals in my "rant", funny how you connect the dots.FatherTed wrote:
its fascinating how you're turning a discussion about terminology into a rant against liberals. carry on.
Whats even more funny is how you consider any ideology that actually speaks of owning up to your own responsibilities in life as mindless dribble and a "rant", instead of absolute truth .
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lowing wrote:
neo-liberal?????????Uzique wrote:
the economist is pretty much neo-liberal... you swayed left?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Went from moderate left to center to moderate left.
Influences: good stuff on here, newspapers, magazines (real ones like The Economist, not some shitty tabloid where morons give their two cents on politics), internets etc
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An anti-establishment far right, that steeped in DST over time has become an anti-establishment far right with a general disdain for the European forfeiture of personal responsibility and ambition.
That was not my "rant"eleven bravo wrote:
lowing wrote:
neo-liberal?????????Uzique wrote:
the economist is pretty much neo-liberal... you swayed left?
no, it showed your ignorance of the terminology used within the last 60 years of poilitical science, history and current events.
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the people who elected George Bush and then divorced themselves from his reality?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right
That about sums me up too. I think the worship of all things European that exists among a certain section of the populace (hipsters, hippies, American liberals in general) is really rather funny. They're worshipping a set of cultures that have never known the individual freedom that they take for granted on a daily basis while living here. I didn't really have any idea what European politics looked like until having discussions with the Dilberts and the Bersters and the Vareggs of this very forum. Thanks guysFlaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right, that steeped in DST over time has become an anti-establishment far right with a general disdain for the European forfeiture of personal responsibility and ambition.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The problem is, the establishment that you are ohhh so against is steeped in personal responsibility. Now you have syndromes, and 200 year old history, and your parents, and your environment, the rich, and your "bad luck" all stepping in as "NEO" Bullshit to relieve you of the basic premise that benesath it all, you are responsible for yourself. So much so the mere thought of it brings out mockery, hostility and insults.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right, that steeped in DST over time has become an anti-establishment far right with a general disdain for the European forfeiture of personal responsibility and ambition.
Bush/Republican party of the last 100+ years has represented right ideals as much as Obama is representing Socialism.Reciprocity wrote:
the people who elected George Bush and then divorced themselves from his reality?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right
lowing is a liberal lol
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No, being anti-establishment means taking responsibility for yourself and your own actions rather than allowing yourself to become dependent on a government. Learn your terms, not the corrupted terminology of the hippies.lowing wrote:
The problem is, the establishment that you are ohhh so against is steeped in personal responsibility. Now you have syndromes, and 200 year old history, and your parents, and your environment, the rich, and your "bad luck" all stepping in as "NEO" Bullshit to relieve you of the basic premise that benesath it all, you are responsible for yourself. So much so the mere thought of it brings out mockery, hostility and insults.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right, that steeped in DST over time has become an anti-establishment far right with a general disdain for the European forfeiture of personal responsibility and ambition.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
tell it to those I am against, that claim to be of the liberal, progressive affiliation. Don't tell it to me.eleven bravo wrote:
no, it showed your ignorance of the terminology used within the last 60 years of poilitical science, history and current events.
He is, which is why this thread has now become hilarious. About the only real thing we'll disagree on is the size of the military.eleven bravo wrote:
lowing is a liberal lol
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I thought I made it pretty clear that personal responsibility is #1.lowing wrote:
The problem is, the establishment that you are ohhh so against is steeped in personal responsibility. Now you have syndromes, and 200 year old history, and your parents, and your environment, the rich, and your "bad luck" all stepping in as "NEO" Bullshit to relieve you of the basic premise that benesath it all, you are responsible for yourself. So much so the mere thought of it brings out mockery, hostility and insults.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right, that steeped in DST over time has become an anti-establishment far right with a general disdain for the European forfeiture of personal responsibility and ambition.
You don't know my parents so shut the fuck up about that.
Even under Republican rule, the government has any number of welfare programs and other "fail-safe" aspects that it adds to society. All of which should in theory be done away with, in practice be drastically reduced. The government is not "steeped in personal responsibility".
emphasis mineJohnG@lt wrote:
No, being anti-establishment means taking responsibility for yourself and your own actions rather than allowing yourself to become dependent on a government. Learn your terms, not the corrupted terminology of the hippies.
Lowing is great entertainment.
Dude, you don't get that for that very reason terms like 'neo-liberal' have been coined? American Liberalism describes it's antonym, populism. Instead of trying to convince millions of people to start using the word differently and in it's correct form, they coined a new one to represent what the word liberal originally meant.lowing wrote:
tell it to those I am against, that claim to be of the liberal, progressive affiliation. Don't tell it to me.eleven bravo wrote:
no, it showed your ignorance of the terminology used within the last 60 years of poilitical science, history and current events.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Whatever you want to call it, my post stands. The NEO-ideology bullshit is void of personal responsibility in favor of fairness and blaming someone, ANYONE other than yourself for your problems, or short comings. Even if they gotta invent a fuckin disease or syndrome to make sure of it.JohnG@lt wrote:
No, being anti-establishment means taking responsibility for yourself and your own actions rather than allowing yourself to become dependent on a government. Learn your terms, not the corrupted terminology of the hippies.lowing wrote:
The problem is, the establishment that you are ohhh so against is steeped in personal responsibility. Now you have syndromes, and 200 year old history, and your parents, and your environment, the rich, and your "bad luck" all stepping in as "NEO" Bullshit to relieve you of the basic premise that benesath it all, you are responsible for yourself. So much so the mere thought of it brings out mockery, hostility and insults.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
An anti-establishment far right, that steeped in DST over time has become an anti-establishment far right with a general disdain for the European forfeiture of personal responsibility and ambition.