Flaming_Maniac
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"Interwoven as is the love of liberty with every ligament of your hearts, no recommendation of mine is necessary to fortify or confirm the attachment."

You thought Reagan accurately spoke from the grave to the issues of today? Washington makes him look like a dimwit from 200 years distant.

He is the single best political figure this nation has ever had and the greatest embodiment of the ideals of Western government to date, bar none.

His Farewell Address prophetically speaks about essentially every major political issue since his death. It directly addresses the exact fundamental pitfalls that have plagued America over the years, most of which are coming to a head in the last decade and going into the future.

I quote a lot. I quote half as much as I think should be read in detail. I have first hand knowledge of the drivel taught by public schools on the subject of American history - it would be more useful to memorize the entirety of this note over the course of the year and let all else be left to personal inclination.

The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.

For this you have every inducement of sympathy and interest. Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of american, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the Independence and Liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts, of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.
In contemplating the causes, which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern, that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by Geographical discriminations, Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western; whence designing men may endeavour to excite a belief, that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence, within particular districts, is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heart-burnings, which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those, who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection. The inhabitants of our western country have lately had a useful lesson on this head; they have seen, in the negotiation by the Executive, and in the unanimous ratification by the Senate, of the treaty with Spain, and in the universal satisfaction at that event, throughout the United States, a decisive proof how unfounded were the suspicions propagated among them of a policy in the General Government and in the Atlantic States unfriendly to their interests in regard to the mississippi; they have been witnesses to the formation of two treaties, that with Great Britain, and that with Spain, which secure to them every thing they could desire, in respect to our foreign relations, towards confirming their prosperity. Will it not be their wisdom to rely for the preservation of these advantages on the union by which they were procured? Will they not henceforth be deaf to those advisers, if such there are, who would sever them from their brethren, and connect them with aliens?
However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is, to use it as sparingly as possible; avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it; avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts, which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burthen, which we ourselves ought to bear. The execution of these maxims belongs to your representatives, but it is necessary that public opinion should cooperate. To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind, that towards the payment of debts there must be Revenue; that to have Revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised, which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate.
In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential, than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular Nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The Nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the Government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The Government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of Nations has been the victim.
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He is on the dollar for a reason. We handle his countenance daily and speak his name with reverence, then go about our way shitting on his ideals.
ATG
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Well, duh.
Why do you think I rail every other post?

this country fucked up the day they dismissed our founding fathers as simple slave owners.

There are no documents more hallowed to free men than The Declaration Of independence and The Constitution and Bill Of Rights of theUnited States of America.

I shit on current politicians.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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The Farewell Address is more important than either.

It directs ethical and practical political discourse, not lawful matter of fact. The Declaration and the Constitution gave the country a solid foundation, but Washington shows us the type of decisions we have to make as a nation to use them. It philosophically defines national and personal outlooks, without which documents are merely pieces of paper.

As is being exemplified today. Where are your documents now? How are they working against the numerous failings you see in government?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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Washington's farewell address is no more than a piece of paper as well. What good is sound advice if the people in charge ignore it and are virtually unusurpable?
ATG
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

The Farewell Address is more important than either.

It directs ethical and practical political discourse, not lawful matter of fact. The Declaration and the Constitution gave the country a solid foundation, but Washington shows us the type of decisions we have to make as a nation to use them. It philosophically defines national and personal outlooks, without which documents are merely pieces of paper.

As is being exemplified today. Where are your documents now? How are they working against the numerous failings you see in government?
Is that a cut and paste?

doesn't have your voice.

ban
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Washington's farewell address is no more than a piece of paper as well. What good is sound advice if the people in charge ignore it and are virtually unusurpable?
To the first half, it is advice as you state. The Constitution for example is just a set of laws, it doesn't have a "deeper meaning" or other implications besides what it says really.

To the latter, yeah that's kind of the point isn't it? We should be listening to the advice. Particularly we shouldn't ignore the advice because the "people in charge" refuse it. The notion that they are untouchable only holds so long as everyone else in the nation doesn't take the advice either.

At ATG, are you just being a prick or what? Of course I wrote it.
Hurricane2k9
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eleven bravo
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Thomas Jefferson considered the US Constitution as more of a guideline and political document than as the law of the land.  Something that could be ignored when he sought fit.
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eleven bravo
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and if ATG was alive during those times Im certain he would have taken part in this
Tu Stultus Es
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eleven bravo wrote:

and if ATG was alive during those times Im certain he would have taken part in this
Australia had a rum rebellion.

Didn't know America had an alcohol fueled episode of national conflict.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
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Da Blooze
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What's sad is, if I were to need to die for my country, it would be with people like George Washington in my heart, and not my contemporary countrymen. (sorry BF2s)

I recently read 1776 by David McCullough, and yeah, Washington has to be one of the greatest leaders in history.  To accomplish what he did, with the resources he had available (not on a personal level, mind you), and to do it with the foresight and humility that he continually exhibited is truly amazing.
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