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Beduin wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

or your mom happened to have her inside leak out of every orifice of her body because she happened to be next the concussion of a freedom fighter's mortar

Pilots were freedom fighters in this situation here. Fucking cowboys, I tell you son!

Last edited by Ilocano (2010-04-05 14:21:44)

eleven bravo wrote:

thread derailed.

Beduin wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

yeah, you said that ya tard.  read youre own quote.

lol... thats why you were in the army?

Last edited by eleven bravo (2010-04-05 14:23:18)

Vilham wrote:

sorry but its pretty much impossible to debate this with children who don't realise the pressure a pilot is under in situations like that. Fucking armchair soldier.

I even stated that the fact that the military tried to cover it up was wrong. So, fuck you.

The pilots did nothing wrong here. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the UN.

A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks today.

The footage of the July 2007 attack was made public in a move that will further anger the Pentagon, which has drawn up a report identifying the whistleblower website as a threat to national security. The US defence department was embarrassed when that confidential report appeared on the Wikileaks site last month alongside a slew of military documents.

The release of the video from Baghdad also comes shortly after the US military admitted that its special forces attempted to cover up the killings of three Afghan women in a raid in February by digging the bullets out of their bodies.

The newly-released video of the Baghdad attacks was recorded on one of two Apache helicopters hunting for insurgents on 12 July 2007. Among the dead were a 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40. The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.

In the recording, the helicopter crews can be heard discussing the scene on the street below. One American claims to have spotted six people with AK-47s and one with a rocket-propelled grenade. It is unclear if some of the men are armed but Noor-Eldeen can be seen with a camera. Chmagh is talking on his mobile phone.

One of the helicopter crew is then heard saying that one of the group is shooting. But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons. The men are standing around, apparently unperturbed.

The lead helicopter, using the moniker Crazyhorse, opens fire. "Hahaha. I hit 'em," shouts one of the American crew. Another responds a little later: "Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards."

One of the men on the ground, believed to be Chmagh, is seen wounded and trying to crawl to safety. One of the helicopter crew is heard wishing for the man to reach for a gun, even though there is none visible nearby, so he has the pretext for opening fire: "All you gotta do is pick up a weapon." A van draws up next to the wounded man and Iraqis climb out. They are unarmed and start to carry the victim to the vehicle in what would appear to be an attempt to get him to hospital. One of the helicopters opens fire with armour-piercing shells. "Look at that. Right through the windshield," says one of the crew. Another responds with a laugh.

Sitting behind the windscreen were two children who were wounded.

After ground forces arrive and the children are discovered, the American air crew blame the Iraqis. "Well it's their fault for bringing kids in to a battle," says one. "That's right," says another.

Initially the US military said that all the dead were insurgents. Then it claimed the helicopters reacted to an active firefight. Assange said that the video demonstrated that neither claim was true.

"Why would anyone be so relaxed with two Apaches if someone was carrying an RPG and that person was an enemy of the United States?" he said. "The behaviour of the pilots is like a computer game. When Saeed is crawling, clearly unable to do anything, their response is: come on buddy, we want to kill you, just pick up a weapon ... It appears to be a desire to get a higher score, or a higher number of kills."

Wikileaks says it will shortly release a second secret US military video showing the deaths of civilians in an attack in Afghanistan. The Pentagon has been seeking ways to prevent classified material appearing on Wikileaks, including through "criminal sanctions". Wikileaks has made public classified US army reports on weapons, military units and battle strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Pentagon report, reflecting the depth of paranoia about where Wikileaks is obtaining its material, speculates that the CIA may be responsible. But perhaps most embarrassing leak for the US defence department was that of the 2008 report itself which appeared on the Wikileaks site last month.

ruisleipa wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

thread derailed.

and you expect what? you have no arguments yourself and just throw lame insults at me, along with mbotminime and vilham whose response to my post was 'get your head out of our arse' (the last place I'd want to put my head incidentally). everyone here has already made up their minds about it. people with an ounce of humanity who don't think the killing of civilians is justified and should not be covered up find themsleves sickened and disgusted by this video. people who tend to have been in the army and buy into the whole thing, and who think that as long as the RoE are followed it's OK, tend to think it's OK to kill civilians especially if they're ragheads and the coalition was there to free Iraq yadayadayada, so the video is lovely. That's pretty much it innit.

personally I'd love to hear how/if the pilots justify their actions to themselves. Sadly probably quite easily.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Tbh, if you hadn't seen the little descirptive notes on that vid, you wouldn't know what the hell you were looking at.