BF2S Forums 15 year old charged as an adult for attempted murder

Varegg wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Are you seriously trying to say that you didn't know the difference between right and wrong at age 15? Seriously?

No, I'm saying that at age 15 I doubt anyone/most people has/have the same ability to judge their actions and consequences of them in the same way an 'adult' does. In my opinion 15 is too young to be considered an adult - although by their nature age limits always try to cater for the majority of the population rather than exceptions - and certainly to be sentenced as one. I admit that the law's attitude to a 15-year old should change depending on whether or not it is his/her first crime, since you could argue that after being sentenced once they should have 'learnt their lesson'. But ingeneral a 15-year old is pretty far from being a mature person.

C'est tout.

Actually ... if you are old enough to stomp someone in the head seven times with metal capped boots you are also old enough to be kept off the streets for quite some time ...

I hear ya. I'm not saying this guy should get off scot-free, just that 15 isn't necessarily the same as being an 'adult'.

ruisleipa wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Are you seriously trying to say that you didn't know the difference between right and wrong at age 15? Seriously?

No, I'm saying that at age 15 I doubt anyone/most people has/have the same ability to judge their actions and consequences of them in the same way an 'adult' does. In my opinion 15 is too young to be considered an adult - although by their nature age limits always try to cater for the majority of the population rather than exceptions - and certainly to be sentenced as one. I admit that the law's attitude to a 15-year old should change depending on whether or not it is his/her first crime, since you could argue that after being sentenced once they should have 'learnt their lesson'. But ingeneral a 15-year old is pretty far from being a mature person.

C'est tout.

Any 15 year old is mature enough to understand what they are doing as they stomp someones head until they are almost dead.

Yeah, a cunt punt alone should have repaid the words.

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Actually ... if you are old enough to stomp someone in the head seven times with metal capped boots you are also old enough to be kept off the streets for quite some time ...

I hear ya. I'm not saying this guy should get off scot-free, just that 15 isn't necessarily the same as being an 'adult'.

So what do you suggest, grounding him? Taking away his XBOX for a week? Force him to come inside when the streetlights come on?.... what?

Calm down lowing. He's just saying the brat isn't an adult, but he does deserve harsh punishment for his drastic actions.

ruisleipa wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Are you seriously trying to say that you didn't know the difference between right and wrong at age 15? Seriously?

No, I'm saying that at age 15 I doubt anyone/most people has/have the same ability to judge their actions and consequences of them in the same way an 'adult' does. In my opinion 15 is too young to be considered an adult - although by their nature age limits always try to cater for the majority of the population rather than exceptions - and certainly to be sentenced as one. I admit that the law's attitude to a 15-year old should change depending on whether or not it is his/her first crime, since you could argue that after being sentenced once they should have 'learnt their lesson'. But ingeneral a 15-year old is pretty far from being a mature person.

C'est tout.

For something as blatantly black and white as this, there should be no excuse for anyone over the age of 5.

Just sad...

lowing wrote:

He wants to make a distinction bwtween his actions as an adult and as he sees him, a kid. So if you insist on that distinction, I wanna know what distinct punishment he has in mind.

wtf difference does it make to my belief or my standpoint what punishment I have in mind? I don't HAVE a punishment in mind, it doesn't matter. I'm talking generally, that IN GENERAL 15 is too young for an individual to be subject to adult laws including their punishments. That's not to say that a sentence should never be the same as an adult but they should be judged by different criteria.

In my opinion voting age (for national elections) and the age of adult criminal responsibility should be the same, i.e. 18, generally speaking, as at that age we say to the individual that you are enough of an adult member of society that you can affect it (or at least vote, which has no effect anyeway but whatever...) and that therefore you can also be subject to an adult's laws.

Oh and you do know the difference between making a distinction and a distinct punishment (or whatever), right? I mean, it's not the same word yeah? So your nice little word play is meaningless

Last edited by ruisleipa (2010-03-24 11:58:30)

whaaaaaaaaaat wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

wah1188 wrote:

Hmm she dissed his dead brother can't say it's deserved but can't say she is innocent either.

Yeah, stomping her with steal toed boots is an overreaction. A major, overreaction.

"made reference to" does not mean she said anything bad

yeah whenever someone says "sorry for your loss" to me i attack them too

i dunno, im pretty sure at 15 i knew that stomping on someones head until they almost die is wrong

but hey it's just childish shenanigans right? it's not like he actually meant to hurt her or anything

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

a) bullshit

Seriously? I knew by the age of 7.

This.  However really understanding long term consequences of one's actions is a different topic.

OK that's a better way of looking at it.

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

This.  However really understanding long term consequences of one's actions is a different topic.

OK that's a better way of looking at it.

Yes because a 15 year old has never heard of crime and punishment.

Heard, yes. Understand, think about, comprehend... often, no.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

OK that's a better way of looking at it.

Yes because a 15 year old has never heard of crime and punishment.

No, you're right. They have.  However, the average teen/prepubescent doesn't have a good comprehension on life long consequences for a spur of the moment act.  I bet this kid thought he'd be out of school suspended for a week tops -He'd come back and no one would talk crap about his dead brother.  Maybe JuV till he's 18 -Tops...

Well this piece of shit is about to be educated.

I couldn't do that officer?