unnamednewbie13
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Says the guy living in a prolific coal exporter.
uziq
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only one of us here is financially invested in the continued success of fossil fuels.

it's funny how all these notable institutions and pension portfolios are divesting themselves of fossil fuels, recognising the problematic ethics and the toxicity of being seen to invest in an industry that is turning the planet into a fireball. and here we have dilbert, whose fragile ego depends on him always taking the moral high-ground and lecturing everybody else, keeping a beady eye on his petrol stocks.
Dilbert_X
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Pretty sure my investments are mostly LNG, oil is a small fraction, whereas literally every aspect of your current life is powered by thermal coal, and you're enjoying living in a prosperous country thanks to coking coal.

My ego is just fine.
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uziq
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'every aspect of your current life'. my guy, my carbon footprint is about 1/5th of yours. we have been over this so many times before.

i don't drive, i live in a tiny studio with all of about 2 appliances and 1 AC unit that i run for 1 month of the year.

the idea that i'm personally a huge draw on korea's energy grid with my fraction of a fraction of a fractional use of cafes, public transport and common spaces, is laughable. you live one of the least sustainable lifestyles on the planet. the suburban sprawl model with 2.5 cars on the driveway and huge half-empty houses which require heating and cooling all year round is not exportable to even 15% of the globe's population. you should be thanking your lucky stars every single day that not every indian or nigerian has the same lifestyle and footprint as you.
Dilbert_X
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What does public transport run on in Korea?
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uziq
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the transport network i make use of is used by millions of people daily. i think my train line alone does 250,000 passengers in a morning.

what does your car run on, genius? i wonder which individual makes a higher dent: me on a 20-carriage subway train sharing energy use with a quarter of a million other passengers, or you in your boy's toy subaru driving 20km to get a pint of milk or pick your nose at the office?
unnamednewbie13
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Dilbert_X wrote:

you're enjoying living in a prosperous country thanks to coking coal.
Australia reaps the benefits of coal export. You guys are like #2 behind Indonesia as of a couple years ago. Top ten for cattle countries as well. Glass. Houses. ffs, I would lay off the coal angle.

Your own use of energy as a suburbanite is a well worn topic at this point.
Dilbert_X
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If people like uziq could stop buying coal that would be great.

Imagine if the coal emissions came directly from the train, not out of sight some distance away.

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/TRN_Victorian_Iron_Horse_roundup_Wrinn_08.2021_00.jpg
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Cybargs
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

you're enjoying living in a prosperous country thanks to coking coal.
Australia reaps the benefits of coal export. You guys are like #2 behind Indonesia as of a couple years ago. Top ten for cattle countries as well. Glass. Houses. ffs, I would lay off the coal angle.

Your own use of energy as a suburbanite is a well worn topic at this point.
we also have senators that cosplay as cooal miners
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

If people like uziq could stop buying coal that would be great.

Imagine if the coal emissions came directly from the train, not out of sight some distance away.

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/TRN_Victorian_Iron_Horse_roundup_Wrinn_08.2021_00.jpg
there is literally no way for you to spin it dilbert.

using public transport is immensely more efficient than you driving your car everywhere.

250,000 people using the same train in the morning is a better scenario in every single way than 250,000 people getting into their solo-occupied vehicle. yours isn’t even an EV. the greater seoul area has 8 million daily journeys on the subway system. look at your antique train picture there and picture even 2 or 3 million more of those antiquated cars on the roads. moron.

you can be as mock-stupid on this subject as you like. my home energy footprint, transport footprint, and day-to-day carbon usage is a fraction of yours. about the only score you’ve got over me is that i eat meat a few times a week. lol well done.

Last edited by uziq (2022-09-19 07:45:11)

SuperJail Warden
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Why Do Some People in New Jersey Suddenly Have Bags and Bags of Bags?

A ban on single-use plastic and paper bags in grocery stores had an unintended effect: Delivery services switched to heavy, reusable sacks — lots of them.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/08/31/climate/31cli-njbags1/31cli-njbags1-mobileMasterAt3x.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1200
Oh wow. I didn't know it was a jersey thing to have bags of bags.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
uziq
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i keep a few and take them when i go grocery shopping.
unnamednewbie13
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SPOKANE, Wash. — A ban on single-use plastic bags went into effect in Washington Friday, costing 8 cents for a recyclable one at the store. But where does that money go?

According to Washington’s Department of Ecology, businesses keep the entire 8 cents to recover some of the cost of providing the bags. Also, it’s to incentivize customers to bring their own reusable bags.

The ban applies to grocery stores, restaurants, retail and small vendors.

For businesses that choose to charge more than 8 cents, the department said it must be listed as a separate line item for tax purposes. So, if a store were to charge 16 cents, there would be two separate charges on the receipt: one 8-cent charge under the new law and a separate 8-cent charge at the store’s discretion.
https://www.kxly.com/plastic-bags-now-c … -money-go/

I probably wouldn't bend over to scrape a random dime off a parking lot. An 8 cent fee is only going to 'incentivise' the absolute poorest, just another red-hot poker up the ass of someone hanging onto a financial cliff by cracked fingernails. I hear it all the time in checkout lines, "oh I forgot my bags, yeah I'll buy some new ones" with completely unpained expressions. During the pandemic, I fell out of the habit of making sure to keep my reusables around because stores didn't allow them and am just now getting back into it.

My local store has gone to heavy duty plastic bags, way thicker than contractor bags, and probably far more wasteful to produce. These probably qualify as "reusable," but the store still charges for them and I haven't seen one instance of someone bringing them back for a second go. I would like to see the numbers as they come in on environmental impact over the course of some years.

Stereotypical of recent environmental legislation anyway, like the one against gaming computers of all things, nevermind rich people living in mansions with 30+ heated/AC'd rooms, plus vacation homes elsewhere. So many Americans still driving trucks who have no use for towing and cargo capacity, but watch out if your PSU is rated 30W too high or whatever, roflmao.

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unnamednewbie13
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uziq wrote:

about the only score you’ve got over me is that i eat meat a few times a week. lol well done.
Does dilbert even have that? He lives in a country that benefits significantly, I would assume, from its billions-dollar meat production. Like it benefits from coal exports. And he benefits from oil stocks. Really precarious perch for someone who likes to lump other people in with the exploits of their countries (or even Jews worldwide with the crimes of Israel), and even with the policies of the countries they're visiting.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2022-09-30 13:55:51)

uziq
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

uziq wrote:

about the only score you’ve got over me is that i eat meat a few times a week. lol well done.
Does dilbert even have that? He lives in a country that benefits significantly, I would assume, from its billions-dollar meat production. Like it benefits from coal exports. And he benefits from oil stocks. Really precarious perch for someone who likes to lump other people in with the exploits of their countries (or even Jews worldwide with the crimes of Israel), and even with the policies of the countries they're visiting.
https://twitter.com/jasonhickel/status/ … _Sn2heHt7A

basically this tweet but plus australia.

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