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Dilbert_X
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Fairly unlikely, and the price of food would double or triple.

Is this guy going to drop $100k on a Tesla tractor compared with a few $k on a used Massey Ferguson? Probably not - he's going to continue burning diesel.
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The cost of moving gas compared with the embodied energy is fairly trivial.

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SuperJail Warden
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Plastic bag ban is going into effect soon in my city. I have been doing research and there is evidence it will hurt more than help. People reuse their small plastic bags for lining garbage cans, picking up dog waste, and other stuff. Everytime a plastic bag ban went into effect, people just started buying heavy duty black garbage bags. When you walk your dog should you just take even more paper towels to create a big paper poop ball since you are out of bags?
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Could we make the harvesters electric and the power grid powered by green energy? You would probably save a lot of energy by no longer needing to move around gas from place to place.
It could be done but the investment required would be enormous. Especially in developing countries, where distances are also greater which means energy loss due to resistance (you still need to move power from place to place). The power generation wouldn't just need to be converted, the grid also modernised and significantly expanded.

These countries usually aren't able to source the necessary skills to do any of this. Moreover, building sustainable energy sources can be quite expensive and their investment return is only far in the future (if at all).

Without trillions in well-spent subsidies the rest of the world will significantly lag behind the West in their transition.
Dilbert_X
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India and China are building hundreds of coal fired plants, whatever we do the planet is fucked.
If the west went zero carbon tomorrow it would make almost no difference, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it of course, Australia could supply half of Asia with solar power for a start.

The only solution is to reduce demand by cutting the population. I can see China nuking India just for that.
Or at least putting a cap on population.
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Dilbert_X
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Plastic bag ban is going into effect soon in my city. I have been doing research and there is evidence it will hurt more than help. People reuse their small plastic bags for lining garbage cans, picking up dog waste, and other stuff. Everytime a plastic bag ban went into effect, people just started buying heavy duty black garbage bags. When you walk your dog should you just take even more paper towels to create a big paper poop ball since you are out of bags?
Its a drop in the ocean and as you say achieves virtually nothing. More hydrocarbons are burned driving to the shops than in producing plastic bags, as long as they make it to landfill they're not a problem.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Plastic bag ban is going into effect soon in my city. I have been doing research and there is evidence it will hurt more than help. People reuse their small plastic bags for lining garbage cans, picking up dog waste, and other stuff. Everytime a plastic bag ban went into effect, people just started buying heavy duty black garbage bags. When you walk your dog should you just take even more paper towels to create a big paper poop ball since you are out of bags?
Its a drop in the ocean and as you say achieves virtually nothing. More hydrocarbons are burned driving to the shops than in producing plastic bags, as long as they make it to landfill they're not a problem.
Plastic bag bans are evidence that the people are open to change and willing to adjust their lifestyle in order to better protect the environment. Unfortunately as most are aware, the overwhelming majority of carbon emissions are the result of industry, most notably fossil fuels. Plastic bag bans are backed by these industries because they'd rather put it on the consumer to make small sacrifices than address the root cause. It also gets people like Jay frothing at the mouth about stupid citizens and mindless legislation, which shifts the focus and responsibility, allowing the debate to be about what we as consumers can do instead of what actions need to take place at the root of the problem.
Dilbert_X
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Yes, consumers are willing to give up their plastic bags and instead put their corn-fed steaks and air-freighted fruit and vegetables in a self-knitting hemp bag.
Plastic bags are literally the smallest problem.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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The "locally sourced" movement is being led by those hated hipster enclaves of Park Slope and Portland and Williamsburg and Silverlake.

You're the type to complain about hipsters spending $7 on avocado toast (sourced locally and sustainably) while out of the other side of your mouth loathing the global food supply chain.

Shut up.
Dilbert_X
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I'm not griping about local sourcing or hipsters, I'm griping about the person who drives to the out of town supermarket in their X5 to buy airfreighted cherries - but its OK because they didn't use a plastic bag.

My sister thinks she's an eco-warrior because while she drives her 4x4 to pilates-in-a-sauna classes she forgoes the straw for her peach juice.

Its a red-herring and lets people feel good about not doing anything else.

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I like reusable bags because they don't tear on me. Also, plastic bags or pieces of them are a common sight in litter, which wouldn't bother me an iota to see less of. Not sure why people would especially need heavy duty bags to replace them when you can still buy the thin ones for a lot less. Maybe a happy medium is just charging for bags, provided the money goes to good causes.
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SuperJail Warden
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Bayer, the world’s largest seed and pesticide maker, has agreed to pay more than $10 billion to settle tens of thousands of claims in the United States that its popular weedkiller Roundup causes cancer, the company said Wednesday.

The figure includes $1.25 billion to deal with potential future claims from people who used Roundup and may develop the form of cancer known as non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma in the years to come.
They definitely made more than 10 billion on their weedkiller over the last 50 years. Still what a settlement. From what I understand the cancer is linked to people who work with the stuff professionally.
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That appositive was news to me. Apparently they bought Monsanto in 2018. Isn't that always the case with these sorts of things though? Companies rarely have to forego any sizable amount of ill-gotten gains.

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