same difference
Tu Stultus Es
Finns gave the world Linux so I think they expect the rest of us to give them a bunch of free stuff in return since they don't know how to market their products and make moneyeleven bravo wrote:
same difference
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Not even so much a Finland thing as it is impressionable young kids thinking they understand everything about the worldJohnG@lt wrote:
Finns gave the world Linux so I think they expect the rest of us to give them a bunch of free stuff in return since they don't know how to market their products and make moneyeleven bravo wrote:
same difference
Spoiler... you sprang my trap for RuisJohnG@lt wrote:
IKEA is SwedishDiesel_dyk wrote:
Hey, does my ass look fat in this SUV?ruisleipa wrote:
Diesel_dyk : come on enough with the 'we saved europe twice' bullshit. Gets so old. That seems to be one of the US's prime excuses for any old shit. 'Hell we saved you guys, TWICE! So fuck you!'
blah blah tbh, it doesn't wash an excuse anymore.
You, personally, did fuck all, as did no-one on this forum. And while not eating may be a sign of poverty, I repeat - being fat isn't a sign of success (at least not necessarily, although some successful people are fat fuckers). It's s sign of not looking after yourself, not eating well, not exercising, being lazy, and, often, being poor - because it's cheaper to eat McDs than eat a balanced meal for a lot of people. It gets a bit desperate if some of yuou Americans are saying 'we're fat! Look at us! er...USA USA!??'
pfff.
I think you got the point... you were basically saying you're a ignorant fat lazy and ruining the environment. And said, fat is better that starving, we give lots overseas, our economy is so robust that we have more open markets than you, and we are so lazy that when push comes to shove we're there to help whether that's Europe or Haiti. /sarcasm You may not like it but there it is. Pull your "you're fat lazy ignorant" rhetoric and you might find that I won't react by throwing up a picture of a Ford Excursion diesel and basically say choke on my fumes (no, from the other tail pipe) because I can do that all day long.
And BTW I shopped at IKEA once so that's all I need to know about Finland................. ignorance is bliss
Hey Galt did you know ruisleipä (stem ruislei-*) = rye bread
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ruisleip%C3%A4"
Not sure what to think of that.
Just call me paksu siitinDiesel_dyk wrote:
Spoiler... you sprang my trap for RuisJohnG@lt wrote:
IKEA is SwedishDiesel_dyk wrote:
Hey, does my ass look fat in this SUV?
I think you got the point... you were basically saying you're a ignorant fat lazy and ruining the environment. And said, fat is better that starving, we give lots overseas, our economy is so robust that we have more open markets than you, and we are so lazy that when push comes to shove we're there to help whether that's Europe or Haiti. /sarcasm You may not like it but there it is. Pull your "you're fat lazy ignorant" rhetoric and you might find that I won't react by throwing up a picture of a Ford Excursion diesel and basically say choke on my fumes (no, from the other tail pipe) because I can do that all day long.
And BTW I shopped at IKEA once so that's all I need to know about Finland................. ignorance is bliss
Hey Galt did you know ruisleipä (stem ruislei-*) = rye bread
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ruisleip%C3%A4"
Not sure what to think of that.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Nice one with the Ikea joke! Really funny. never heard that before! /sarcasm.
Hey did you know a dyk is like a slang word for a lesbian...don't know what to make of that...
And john your finnish sucks mate so give up on the google translator and wikipedia aiight? kthxbye
oh and LMFAO at this one:
you twat
Hey did you know a dyk is like a slang word for a lesbian...don't know what to make of that...
And john your finnish sucks mate so give up on the google translator and wikipedia aiight? kthxbye
oh and LMFAO at this one:
hahahahaha.jsnipy wrote:
Not even so much a Finland thing as it is impressionable young kids thinking they understand everything about the world
you twat
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You use a computer which is made by large industrial manufacturing companies polluting the Earth. It even uses electricity which mainly comes from oil, a contributor of global warming. Hypocrite.ruisleipa wrote:
Nice one with the Ikea joke! Really funny. never heard that before! /sarcasm.
Hey did you know a dyk is like a slang word for a lesbian...don't know what to make of that...
And john your finnish sucks mate so give up on the google translator and wikipedia aiight? kthxbye
oh and LMFAO at this one:hahahahaha.jsnipy wrote:
Not even so much a Finland thing as it is impressionable young kids thinking they understand everything about the world
you twat
LOL don't you read the thread or wot? Here, just for you I'll copy paste my post from before which I already had to copy paste cos someone else couldn't be arsed to read the thread. IN fact, I'll BOLD the relevant bit for ya.Cybargs wrote:
You use a computer which is made by large industrial manufacturing companies polluting the Earth. It even uses electricity which mainly comes from oil, a contributor of global warming. Hypocrite.
Anyway, that aside, how can I be a hypocrite? Where have I said that no-one should use a computer? What's that got to do with anything. Nice try tho'ruisleipa wrote:
oh right, well, true, mobile phones are ridiculous in the way that so many are thrown away each year for example. I hate the fact that consumer electronics have built-in obsolecence so people just change them after a year or two - or even a few months. I hate the fact we are constantly told to buy buy buy more useless shit we don't need, phones included. The constant updating to new and 'better' phones pisses me off. I have a Nokia but it's about 7 years old (approximately - I bought it secondhand, but it has no colour screen, no music, no vid, no camera, none of that stuff. I can phone and SMS and that's it.) I'll keep using it until it dies and then buy another second-hand basic-as-you-can-get model. So yeah, all the suckers buying new phones every year...I hate that shit.
but, in Nokia's defence, not that they need it, but they are regularly awarded 'green' awards by various organisations:
http://www.nokia.com/environment/we-evo … ntribution
http://www.juniperresearch.com/futuremo … awards.php
I also understand they have a quite effective recycling scheme
http://www.nokia.com/environment/we-rec … to-recycle
Not that those things justify the tremendous waste involved with ALL electronic manufacturing.
And inb4 'you're a hypocrite'. Yeah sure I have a PC and a TV and whatnot. But, I can still hate buying shit just for the sake of buying it, and having the latest stuff and whatever.
And FatherTed no, it isn't just a US issue, but the original report mentioned in the article was about the US, hence the howls of outrage from certain Americans around here.
I'm the first to admit everyone has a role to play in reducing waste. Before you buy your next iphone or whatever gizmo ask yourself if you really need it.
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This decade has been the worst decade for equities. So he was wrong calling the DOW, but he obviously knew the stock market was over-valued. How much is yet to be seen. The affect of government stimulus, and how long it will last, has proven to be quite the uncertainty at times. We all know it doesn't last forever though.Kmarion wrote:
Yea I saw those "Peter Shiff was right" youtube videos too. Too bad his clients didn't. In 2002 he predicted the DOW at 4000. He was wrong in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and the majority of 2006.Turquoise wrote:
Peter Schiff called it right, and he wasn't alone either. People laughed at him, but in the end, he was the one laughing.Kmarion wrote:
The economy is anything but predictable. I saw a post of everything that was supposed to happen over the last year by so called economic experts. Laughable. I predict nearly no one getting it right this year.. again. If it were predictable, if people truly knew what was over the next hill then this economic slump wouldn't have been this severe. But they didn't.. although they did make money selling the idea of predictability to anyone gullible enough to believe their words.
I'm not saying the majority view of economists is always right, but it's not always wrong either.
Yes, the economy is hard to predict over a short period of time, but there are basic observations and assumptions that can be made for longer periods of time. The weather is much the same.It's the classic, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day" phenomenon.Had you listened to Mr. Schiff at anytime before Oct. 2007, you lost...big. To those who did, there is little consolation in the praise being heaped on him today.
So you can say he, or his clients, lost out (if that's what you're saying) in 02, 03, 04, 05 etc. He bought gold, silver, oil, and other commodities at 2001 when they were dirt. The only two things out of those doing really well are gold and silver, gold doing phenomenal. However, long-term, he still has beaten most.
Has it occurred to you the reason they created a marketing recycling campaign is so people believe they are making a good choice, and therefore sell more phones?ruisleipa wrote:
LOL don't you read the thread or wot? Here, just for you I'll copy paste my post from before which I already had to copy paste cos someone else couldn't be arsed to read the thread. IN fact, I'll BOLD the relevant bit for ya.Cybargs wrote:
You use a computer which is made by large industrial manufacturing companies polluting the Earth. It even uses electricity which mainly comes from oil, a contributor of global warming. Hypocrite.Anyway, that aside, how can I be a hypocrite? Where have I said that no-one should use a computer? What's that got to do with anything. Nice try tho'ruisleipa wrote:
oh right, well, true, mobile phones are ridiculous in the way that so many are thrown away each year for example. I hate the fact that consumer electronics have built-in obsolecence so people just change them after a year or two - or even a few months. I hate the fact we are constantly told to buy buy buy more useless shit we don't need, phones included. The constant updating to new and 'better' phones pisses me off. I have a Nokia but it's about 7 years old (approximately - I bought it secondhand, but it has no colour screen, no music, no vid, no camera, none of that stuff. I can phone and SMS and that's it.) I'll keep using it until it dies and then buy another second-hand basic-as-you-can-get model. So yeah, all the suckers buying new phones every year...I hate that shit.
but, in Nokia's defence, not that they need it, but they are regularly awarded 'green' awards by various organisations:
http://www.nokia.com/environment/we-evo … ntribution
http://www.juniperresearch.com/futuremo … awards.php
I also understand they have a quite effective recycling scheme
http://www.nokia.com/environment/we-rec … to-recycle
Not that those things justify the tremendous waste involved with ALL electronic manufacturing.
And inb4 'you're a hypocrite'. Yeah sure I have a PC and a TV and whatnot. But, I can still hate buying shit just for the sake of buying it, and having the latest stuff and whatever.
And FatherTed no, it isn't just a US issue, but the original report mentioned in the article was about the US, hence the howls of outrage from certain Americans around here.
I'm the first to admit everyone has a role to play in reducing waste. Before you buy your next iphone or whatever gizmo ask yourself if you really need it.
err...yes, it has. And my response would be...so what? The main point is they have a good recycling scheme.Pug wrote:
Has it occurred to you the reason they created a marketing recycling campaign is so people believe they are making a good choice, and therefore sell more phones?
Exxon has given millions to environmental groups...
To be more clear, it's a chicken or the egg argument, is it not?
To be more clear, it's a chicken or the egg argument, is it not?
proof?Pug wrote:
Exxon has given millions to environmental groups...
and so what? I never mentioned exxon before, why bring that up? What's it got to do with the chicken/egg situation? Which came first, Nokia or Exxon (it was Nokia btw)? Bit confused tbh...
"Nokia is awesome because it has a recycling program"
"Exxon is awesome because it has given millions to environmental groups"
Do you see a parallel?
Chicken vs egg = consumer vs supplier, aka who's fault is it?
"Exxon is awesome because it has given millions to environmental groups"
Do you see a parallel?
Chicken vs egg = consumer vs supplier, aka who's fault is it?
dunno man, but who said nokia is awesome? Or exxon for that matter. Not sure what you're driving at mate.
Whose fault is what? Our consumer society? A bit of both I suspect.
Whose fault is what? Our consumer society? A bit of both I suspect.
Exxon does have a lot to answer for over Valdez, though.Pug wrote:
Exxon has given millions to environmental groups...
To be more clear, it's a chicken or the egg argument, is it not?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I'm not excusing Exxon's behavior no more than Nokia's or any other company's for the matter.
The issue here is a matter of blame. First, this isn't isolated to the consumer, nor is it isolated to the United States. In additiona, if the consumer is the responsible party, then the outcome of changing consumer behavior should be addressed as well.
aka "we are all fucked because" isn't a great way to address the issue.
The issue here is a matter of blame. First, this isn't isolated to the consumer, nor is it isolated to the United States. In additiona, if the consumer is the responsible party, then the outcome of changing consumer behavior should be addressed as well.
aka "we are all fucked because" isn't a great way to address the issue.