Prove that statement wrong.AussieReaper wrote:
hahaha oh wow!JohnG@lt wrote:
A persons wages define their value within a society.
With that logic, explain this;JohnG@lt wrote:
A persons wages define their value within a society. The rarer and more useful (to society) the skill, the more money a person makes. Placing limits on their pay is placing a limit on their value. Ever wonder why Canada has such a massive shortage of doctors? Hell, your own hospitals in Toronto are sending patients to Buffalo for treatment and it's even worse in places like Alberta.
You work for the government and hence you work within a pay scale. Yes.S3v3N wrote:
With that logic, explain this;JohnG@lt wrote:
A persons wages define their value within a society. The rarer and more useful (to society) the skill, the more money a person makes. Placing limits on their pay is placing a limit on their value. Ever wonder why Canada has such a massive shortage of doctors? Hell, your own hospitals in Toronto are sending patients to Buffalo for treatment and it's even worse in places like Alberta.
I'm a Civil Engineer, I have a Bachelor's Degree from the University of Montana.
I work for the BLM, a state agency. I ensure roads and bridges are safe for travel. I ensure a forest fire won't destroy the entire state. I decide what sections get logged and what remains untouched. etc etc etc etc etc etc. I make less than 20.00 an hour.
My friend, who has the same peice of paper from the same college gets paid 60.00 an hour to look at buildings.
does this make me a slave?
You were a slave once with a pay scale.JohnG@lt wrote:
You work for the government and hence you work within a pay scale. Yes.S3v3N wrote:
With that logic, explain this;JohnG@lt wrote:
A persons wages define their value within a society. The rarer and more useful (to society) the skill, the more money a person makes. Placing limits on their pay is placing a limit on their value. Ever wonder why Canada has such a massive shortage of doctors? Hell, your own hospitals in Toronto are sending patients to Buffalo for treatment and it's even worse in places like Alberta.
I'm a Civil Engineer, I have a Bachelor's Degree from the University of Montana.
I work for the BLM, a state agency. I ensure roads and bridges are safe for travel. I ensure a forest fire won't destroy the entire state. I decide what sections get logged and what remains untouched. etc etc etc etc etc etc. I make less than 20.00 an hour.
My friend, who has the same peice of paper from the same college gets paid 60.00 an hour to look at buildings.
does this make me a slave?
Paris Hilton has what value within society?JohnG@lt wrote:
Prove that statement wrong.AussieReaper wrote:
hahaha oh wow!JohnG@lt wrote:
A persons wages define their value within a society.
And I hated every second of it. I busted my ass for the same pay as the guy next to me that hid whenever there was work to be done. I hate pay grades and seniority more than almost anything else on the planet.S3v3N wrote:
You were a slave once with a pay scale.JohnG@lt wrote:
You work for the government and hence you work within a pay scale. Yes.S3v3N wrote:
With that logic, explain this;
I'm a Civil Engineer, I have a Bachelor's Degree from the University of Montana.
I work for the BLM, a state agency. I ensure roads and bridges are safe for travel. I ensure a forest fire won't destroy the entire state. I decide what sections get logged and what remains untouched. etc etc etc etc etc etc. I make less than 20.00 an hour.
My friend, who has the same peice of paper from the same college gets paid 60.00 an hour to look at buildings.
does this make me a slave?
I'm still a slave
She entertains them. Few people can grab peoples attention and hold it as well as she does. Hence she is paid well for it.AussieReaper wrote:
Paris Hilton has what value within society?JohnG@lt wrote:
Prove that statement wrong.AussieReaper wrote:
hahaha oh wow!
She's getting paid plenty, as nothing but a face on a bottle of perfume.
I suppose she's getting paid that much because society places a high value upon her?
Doesn't mean she is a value to society. A flaming pile of dog shit can grab peoples attention. And for the ones who lit it, provide entertainment.JohnG@lt wrote:
She entertains them. Few people can grab peoples attention and hold it as well as she does. Hence she is paid well for it.AussieReaper wrote:
Paris Hilton has what value within society?JohnG@lt wrote:
Prove that statement wrong.
She's getting paid plenty, as nothing but a face on a bottle of perfume.
I suppose she's getting paid that much because society places a high value upon her?
And those people can make money off of that, because people find value in it. However base that value may be, dollars that go to support burning dog shit are just as good as the dollars that support fine art.AussieReaper wrote:
Doesn't mean she is a value to society. A flaming pile of dog shit can grab peoples attention. And for the ones who lit it, provide entertainment.
Of course she provides value to people in society. If she didn't then magazines featuring stories about her wouldn't sell, she wouldn't be able to have tv shows or anything else. She's an entertainer, the same as an artist or a musician. Sure, many people dislike her, but that sells magazines and increases ad revenue too. If she was a nobody she would have no value as an entertainer. She is paid so much because very few people can pull off what she has done.AussieReaper wrote:
Doesn't mean she is a value to society. A flaming pile of dog shit can grab peoples attention. And for the ones who lit it, provide entertainment.JohnG@lt wrote:
She entertains them. Few people can grab peoples attention and hold it as well as she does. Hence she is paid well for it.AussieReaper wrote:
Paris Hilton has what value within society?
She's getting paid plenty, as nothing but a face on a bottle of perfume.
I suppose she's getting paid that much because society places a high value upon her?
She hasn't earned any of what she has though. It's simply been inherit. The fame came through her father, along with most of the money. It hasn't been her value to society that propelled her. Just the accident of her birth. If she had gone from obscurity to wealth I might agree with you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course she provides value to people in society. If she didn't then magazines featuring stories about her wouldn't sell, she wouldn't be able to have tv shows or anything else. She's an entertainer, the same as an artist or a musician. Sure, many people dislike her, but that sells magazines and increases ad revenue too. If she was a nobody she would have no value as an entertainer. She is paid so much because very few people can pull off what she has done.
So why does a firefighter make 10 dollars an hour, after all he can save your life, A higher value than a steroid injected asshat that plays with a ball and a stick.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is a baseball player paid so much? Because very few people on the planet can do what they do and people find watching them play the game entertaining. They buy tickets and jerseys and foam fingers etc. If the game was unpopular or many people could play it at their level they wouldn't get paid nearly as much. Wages are dictated by supply and demand.
Oh, so what really bothers you is that you're jealous she was born into a wealthy family. Gotcha.AussieReaper wrote:
She hasn't earned any of what she has though. It's simply been inherit. The fame came through her father, along with most of the money. It hasn't been her value to society that propelled her. Just the accident of her birth. If she had gone from obscurity to wealth I might agree with you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course she provides value to people in society. If she didn't then magazines featuring stories about her wouldn't sell, she wouldn't be able to have tv shows or anything else. She's an entertainer, the same as an artist or a musician. Sure, many people dislike her, but that sells magazines and increases ad revenue too. If she was a nobody she would have no value as an entertainer. She is paid so much because very few people can pull off what she has done.
Because more people can perform the job of a firefighter.S3v3N wrote:
So why does a firefighter make 10 dollars an hour, after all he can save your life, A higher value than a steroid injected asshat that plays with a ball and a stick.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is a baseball player paid so much? Because very few people on the planet can do what they do and people find watching them play the game entertaining. They buy tickets and jerseys and foam fingers etc. If the game was unpopular or many people could play it at their level they wouldn't get paid nearly as much. Wages are dictated by supply and demand.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 6#p2238926S3v3N wrote:
So why does a firefighter make 10 dollars an hour, after all he can save your life, A higher value than a steroid injected asshat that plays with a ball and a stick.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is a baseball player paid so much? Because very few people on the planet can do what they do and people find watching them play the game entertaining. They buy tickets and jerseys and foam fingers etc. If the game was unpopular or many people could play it at their level they wouldn't get paid nearly as much. Wages are dictated by supply and demand.
Dodge, dodge, dodge. Guess you'll leave it there. Okay.JohnG@lt wrote:
Oh, so what really bothers you is that you're jealous she was born into a wealthy family. Gotcha.AussieReaper wrote:
She hasn't earned any of what she has though. It's simply been inherit. The fame came through her father, along with most of the money. It hasn't been her value to society that propelled her. Just the accident of her birth. If she had gone from obscurity to wealth I might agree with you.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course she provides value to people in society. If she didn't then magazines featuring stories about her wouldn't sell, she wouldn't be able to have tv shows or anything else. She's an entertainer, the same as an artist or a musician. Sure, many people dislike her, but that sells magazines and increases ad revenue too. If she was a nobody she would have no value as an entertainer. She is paid so much because very few people can pull off what she has done.
Doubtfull.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because more people can perform the job of a firefighter.S3v3N wrote:
So why does a firefighter make 10 dollars an hour, after all he can save your life, A higher value than a steroid injected asshat that plays with a ball and a stick.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is a baseball player paid so much? Because very few people on the planet can do what they do and people find watching them play the game entertaining. They buy tickets and jerseys and foam fingers etc. If the game was unpopular or many people could play it at their level they wouldn't get paid nearly as much. Wages are dictated by supply and demand.
I'm not dodging. She got famous because she could afford a good publicist. How she got there doesn't really matter because she's been able to sustain herself there. That Johnson chick that just died last week was born with plenty of money but never achieved lasting fame or fortune because of it. Paris Hilton is talented, you're just refusing to acknowledge it.AussieReaper wrote:
Dodge, dodge, dodge. Guess you'll leave it there. Okay.JohnG@lt wrote:
Oh, so what really bothers you is that you're jealous she was born into a wealthy family. Gotcha.AussieReaper wrote:
She hasn't earned any of what she has though. It's simply been inherit. The fame came through her father, along with most of the money. It hasn't been her value to society that propelled her. Just the accident of her birth. If she had gone from obscurity to wealth I might agree with you.
Why she is valuable is irrelevant to the fact that she is valuable.AussieReaper wrote:
Dodge, dodge, dodge. Guess you'll leave it there. Okay.JohnG@lt wrote:
Oh, so what really bothers you is that you're jealous she was born into a wealthy family. Gotcha.AussieReaper wrote:
She hasn't earned any of what she has though. It's simply been inherit. The fame came through her father, along with most of the money. It hasn't been her value to society that propelled her. Just the accident of her birth. If she had gone from obscurity to wealth I might agree with you.
Can you play in MLB, the NBA or the NHL successfully? I guarantee every single person in those leagues would be a successful firefighter.S3v3N wrote:
Doubtfull.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because more people can perform the job of a firefighter.S3v3N wrote:
So why does a firefighter make 10 dollars an hour, after all he can save your life, A higher value than a steroid injected asshat that plays with a ball and a stick.
I can play baseball, and basketball and football and hockey.
Uh.... You're probably the only person I've seen argue that compassion is immoral.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
A human life isn't intrinsically worth anything.
Every member of society, working through their animalistic survival instinct, gives value to every other life in order to have others give value to their life. It's why we have laws against violence. It's why each one of us is expected to do something if we see someone in immediate medical danger. It's why we vote for various types of welfare. Because when we pay that respect to other people, we expect the same for ourselves.
It's wrong. It's imagining value where there is none. It's a collective ego-stroke that will justify anything, no matter how morally wrong or fundamentally unsound.
Apparently you aren't aware of what it takes to be a firefighter.JohnG@lt wrote:
Can you play in MLB, the NBA or the NHL successfully? I guarantee every single person in those leagues would be a successful firefighter.S3v3N wrote:
Doubtfull.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because more people can perform the job of a firefighter.
I can play baseball, and basketball and football and hockey.