Mind-reading systems could change air security

2010-01-09 10:24:57

#1

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6839|San Diego, CA, USA

Mind-reading systems could change air security
(via. http://www.drudgereport.com/)

MICHAEL TARM wrote:
CHICAGO (AP) - A would-be terrorist tries to board a plane, bent on mass murder. As he walks through a security checkpoint, fidgeting and glancing around, a network of high-tech machines analyzes his body language and reads his mind.

Screeners pull him aside.

Tragedy is averted.

As far-fetched as that sounds, systems that aim to get inside an evildoer's head are among the proposals floated by security experts thinking beyond the X-ray machines and metal detectors used on millions of passengers and bags each year.

On Thursday, in the wake of the Christmas Day bombing attempt over Detroit, President Barack Obama called on Homeland Security and the Energy Department to develop better screening technology, warning: "In the never-ending race to protect our country, we have to stay one step ahead of a nimble adversary."

The ideas that have been offered by security experts for staying one step ahead include highly sophisticated sensors, more intensive interrogations of travelers by screeners trained in human behavior, and a lifting of the U.S. prohibitions against profiling.

Some of the more unusual ideas are already being tested. Some aren't being given any serious consideration. Many raise troubling questions about civil liberties. All are costly.

"Regulators need to accept that the current approach is outdated," said Philip Baum, editor of the London-based magazine Aviation Security International. "It may have responded to the threats of the 1960s, but it doesn't respond to the threats of the 21st century."

Interesting...I guess we'll just mind read everyone and that way we'll know what you're going to do...`Minority Report` anyone?

2010-01-09 10:33:42

#2

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6859|Mountains of NC

oh fantastic ........ thats all I need ............... * just standing in line and notice a good looking chick bending over wearing a scoop V neck shirt and I'm just eyes locked and set for disable* ....... and a thought crosses my head " damn I'd like to get my hands on those fun bags "

and I hear my thought just echo across the entire airport

I think we should keep to the body searches

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2010-01-09 10:34:16

#3

jord: Member; +2,382|6969|The North, beyond the wall.

Seems flawed. It's pretty easy to alter out body language giveaways. And if you have no self control you can do it through the medium of drugs. See, I just worked out how to get around it, and I'm dumb as fuck.

Sounds like more wasted money to me.

2010-01-09 16:10:24

#4

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5550|foggy bottom

rather just profile all the brown people

Tu Stultus Es

2010-01-09 16:20:08

#5

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5993|College Park, MD

or just hire and train people to do what the israelis do

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2010-01-09 17:01:57

#6

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6828|Long Island, New York

eleven bravo wrote:
rather just profile all the brown people

Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.

2010-01-09 17:02:37

#7

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6702|'Murka

Poseidon wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
rather just profile all the brown people
Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.

But what about people's inner child and stuff?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-01-09 21:02:28

#8

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5993|College Park, MD

Poseidon wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
rather just profile all the brown people
Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.

Actually they don't, Pos. From what I read they do behavioral profiling. People who seem sketchy, ultra nervous, shifty etc. Or unnaturally calm; most people get at least somewhat nervous while undergoing intense scrutiny.

Also I might be wrong but I believe a lot of people born in Israel to Israelis somewhat resemble Palestinians, at least in terms of skin tone.

2010-01-09 21:08:10

#9

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6828|Long Island, New York

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
rather just profile all the brown people
Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.
Actually they don't, Pos. From what I read they do behavioral profiling. People who seem sketchy, ultra nervous, shifty etc. Or unnaturally calm; most people get at least somewhat nervous while undergoing intense scrutiny.

Also I might be wrong but I believe a lot of people born in Israel to Israelis somewhat resemble Palestinians, at least in terms of skin tone.

that's what they tell you, but if they see a guy in a turban they're bringing him in for "extra security checks"

2010-01-09 21:26:09

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6444|what

Harmor wrote:
A would-be terrorist tries to board a plane, bent on mass murder. As he walks through a security checkpoint, fidgeting and glancing around, a network of high-tech machines analyzes his body language and reads his mind.

Body language reader =/= mind reader.

2010-01-09 21:26:46

#11

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5993|College Park, MD

Like most Americans won't just nod and agree when the TSA says they're doing behavioral profiling. Sure you'll have the smarter people crying out loud, but our country time and again lets itself be taken for a ride by lying politicians. Just get Obama to say it's not racial profiling and the masses will be placated.

2010-01-09 23:11:57

#12

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6696|North Carolina

Poseidon wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
rather just profile all the brown people
Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.

In general, using Israel as a role model doesn't work too well.

I'm not saying everything they do is flawed, but they do seem quite good at making enemies.

2010-01-09 23:52:46

#13

ruisleipa: Member; +149|6513|teh FIN-land

So if I'm walking through the airport thinking 'Fuck you ya fuckin fascists' to all the security guards, will they arrest me. Errr...no. Cos there's no such thing as mind reading is there? wtf is this Star Trek or something?

2010-01-10 00:33:52

#14

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6956|NT, like Mick Dundee

Poseidon wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Poseidon wrote:

Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.
Actually they don't, Pos. From what I read they do behavioral profiling. People who seem sketchy, ultra nervous, shifty etc. Or unnaturally calm; most people get at least somewhat nervous while undergoing intense scrutiny.

Also I might be wrong but I believe a lot of people born in Israel to Israelis somewhat resemble Palestinians, at least in terms of skin tone.
that's what they tell you, but if they see a guy in a turban they're bringing him in for "extra security checks"

Check out John Saffran and what he's done in Israel so far. He's a right funny bastard.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2010-01-10 00:58:34

#15

Beduin: Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid; +510|6041|شمال

lol

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...show me the schematic

2010-01-10 06:18:06

#16

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6912|London, England

People always talk about racial profiling. Nobody realises that just about every race has attempted or done some sort of Islamic terrorism, the religion transcends all races and ethnicities. It's not about that. I know people say it as a joke or with some irony, but really.

Even those people who think are the least threatening. You know, white, anglo-saxon/Christian name, protestant. Pretty easy for a would be terrorist (Islamic terrorist) to be like that for a multitude of reasons. Infact there are cases of that already. Even if you leave aside all the moral, political aspects of racial profiling, the basic aspect of using it to better prevent terrorism isn't actually improved much if not at all, either.

The only people who really want racial profiling are the one's that are already inherently racist in the first place.

Like the other day, apparently some dudes were arrested for making bomb threats and being drunk on an airplane, I know you're going to have people complaining about it (mainly right wing tabloid readers) how 'stupid the authorities are', and how those guys were 'obviously not terrorists', but at the end of the day, they still were doing some serious shit. It doesn't matter if they were just a bunch of drunk white guys. Shit doesn't work like that.

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2010-01-10 06:30:37

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jord: Member; +2,382|6969|The North, beyond the wall.

Here's the only question I have. Whoever has been to an airport knows that you can walk in and around the spaces there with hundreds of people. What stops a terrorist from detonating a bomb there, or at a Football stadium with thousands of people? I can see how blowing up a plane was a good target, but it seems everything in security is directed at preventing another 9/11, when infact you could kill more people at any other crowded place. If suicide bombers switched it up a bit they'd never get caught. And killing 1000 people is just as much propaganda as blowing another plane up.

2010-01-10 06:32:46

#18

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6912|London, England

Yeah, that's what I've never understood either. The IRA were like that. They preferred to just have big car bombs and just have bombs out in the open and shit

2010-01-10 08:02:50

#19

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6702|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
rather just profile all the brown people
Israel does it and it works out pretty damn well for them.
In general, using Israel as a role model doesn't work too well.

I'm not saying everything they do is flawed, but they do seem quite good at making enemies.

They're also quite good at certain niche things.

It would be stupid to ignore the things they are good at simply because they do some other things poorly.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-01-10 08:25:06

#20

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5993|College Park, MD

jord wrote:
Here's the only question I have. Whoever has been to an airport knows that you can walk in and around the spaces there with hundreds of people. What stops a terrorist from detonating a bomb there, or at a Football stadium with thousands of people? I can see how blowing up a plane was a good target, but it seems everything in security is directed at preventing another 9/11, when infact you could kill more people at any other crowded place. If suicide bombers switched it up a bit they'd never get caught. And killing 1000 people is just as much propaganda as blowing another plane up.

Some of them can't even ignite their bombs properly and instead practically self-immolate, y'think they could brainstorm something like that?

2010-01-10 08:28:25

#21

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6702|'Murka

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
jord wrote:
Here's the only question I have. Whoever has been to an airport knows that you can walk in and around the spaces there with hundreds of people. What stops a terrorist from detonating a bomb there, or at a Football stadium with thousands of people? I can see how blowing up a plane was a good target, but it seems everything in security is directed at preventing another 9/11, when infact you could kill more people at any other crowded place. If suicide bombers switched it up a bit they'd never get caught. And killing 1000 people is just as much propaganda as blowing another plane up.
Some of them can't even ignite their bombs properly and instead practically self-immolate, y'think they could brainstorm something like that?

Just as we oftentimes make the mistake of trying to put ourselves in their place with our western mentality and thought processes, they likely do the same thing with their non-western mentality and thought processes and miss obvious things like this.

And I'm perfectly OK with that.

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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-01-10 08:30:49

#22

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6912|London, England

It's probably not just about body counts though. It's all the disruption it causes too. You could argue that hitting transport systems, planes and trains mainly, last much longer than just blowing up a car in the middle of a street. Just look at the amount of shit one Nigerian guy has caused with a failed attempt. They're all laughing, even if it didn't even work, well except for the Nigerian guy himself

2010-01-10 08:31:54

#23

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5550|foggy bottom

Id rather have my nuts looked at through one of those total recall xray scanners than to be picked out of the crowd because the shade of my skin or my middle name.

Tu Stultus Es

2010-01-10 08:33:35

#24

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6702|'Murka

eleven bravo wrote:
Id rather have my nuts looked at through one of those total recall xray scanners than to be picked out of the crowd because the shade of my skin or my middle name.

You're just so sensitive.

I'd rather we focused on behavior, as the nutjobs have already tried to get around the racial profiling bit (see the guy who set his underoos on fire).

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2010-01-10 08:33:40

#25

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7007

eleven bravo wrote:
Id rather have my nuts looked at through one of those total recall xray scanners than to be picked out of the crowd because the shade of my skin or my middle name.

Terrorist.

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