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lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Blah blah blah - evidence or give over..

PS - for the umpteenth time you cretin I showed that there was outrage so quit saying " You have already claimed that no outrage or incitement has ever existed regarding blasphemy" there was christian outrage so stop saying there wasn't, that's your probelm you're just a wanker who only sees what he wants to see to skew their reality.. warped, you can bang on but until you can provide one link to back up your claim that Islam had any influence on the Irish situation, shut the fuck up and stop spouting unfounded nonsense, simply put up or shut the fuck up...

I see, so there was Christian outrage over blasphemey? The masses were rioting in the streets? Cars and buildings were set on fire? People were killed? Death threats were taken seriously? Protesters were going nuts? All over blasphemy? Or is this the "outrage" you speak of was the 1 obscure 15 year old court case that no one took seriously and could not  be bothered with? Is this the "outrage" you speak off? If so I guess you and I are on different levels regarding outrage and incitement.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2010-01-11 14:09:40)

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Blah blah blah - evidence or give over..

PS - for the umpteenth time you cretin I showed that there was outrage so quit saying " You have already claimed that no outrage or incitement has ever existed regarding blasphemy" there was christian outrage so stop saying there wasn't, that's your probelm you're just a wanker who only sees what he wants to see to skew their reality.. warped, you can bang on but until you can provide one link to back up your claim that Islam had any influence on the Irish situation, shut the fuck up and stop spouting unfounded nonsense, simply put up or shut the fuck up...

I see, so there was Christian outrage over blasphemey? The masses were rioting in the streets? Cars and buildings were set on fire? People were killed? Death threats were taken seriously? Protesters were going nuts? All over blasphemy? Or is this the "outrage" you speak of was the 1 obscure 15 year old court case that no one took seriously and could not  be bothered with? Is this the "outrage" you speak off? If so I guess you and I are on different levels regarding outrage and incitement.

http://anacarlo.files.wordpress.com/200 … ul-now.jpg

THAT is your outrage and incitement that Ireland feels needs a solution for? That Ireland feels it needs to throw way free speech and press to over? IS that really the best you can do?

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

Please provide me evidence that says  that this new legislation is DIRECTLY supposed to break the stranlehold(sic) of the Catholic Church..

OMG!!!!!!  you fucking PLANK - I direct you to the 37 Constitution, I direct you to the new definition of Blasphemy.  GTFO..

you did? link me one more time, especially to the part where it specifically say this is directed toward the Catholic church and no one else.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Irish.Constitution.1937

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2010-01-11 14:16:43)

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

OMG!!!!!!  you fucking PLANK - I direct you to the 37 Constitution, I direct you to the new definition of Blasphemy.  GTFO..

you did? link me one more time, especially to the part where it specifically say this is directed toward the Catholic church and no one else.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Irish.Constitution.1937

Sorry I read that the first time when you pointed out the the blasphemy law exists. The same law that no one knows what to do with nor ever cared about. Until appeasement became such a hot topic to protect  from Islamic backlash.

Now, show me where this new legislation is directed toward SPECIFICALLY the Catholic church.

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Irish.Constitution.1937

Sorry I read that the first time when you pointed out the the blasphemy law exists. The same law that no one knows what to do with nor ever cared about. Until appeasement became such a hot topic to protect  from Islamic backlash.

Now, show me where this new legislation is directed toward SPECIFICALLY the Catholic church.

it is directed at all religions Lowing that is the part which you fail miserably to grasp the importance of, also, this is where your lack of understanding of the whole situation of the last 400 years on this island lets you down, and frankly makes you just a dumb fucking American making proclamations errantly on stuff he quite frankly doesn't even have a tenuous grasp of..

You said the Catholic church. Shall I go back and dig it out?

you fail to point out outrage or incitement that this, by your own source, was supposed to protect against.

You failed to show how a 15 year old court case, shook the Irish community into establishing this new legislation and throwing away free speech and press as a must.

Your only argument was 3 Irishmen in a gaming forum said so.

IG-Calibre wrote:

Mulberry bush lowing, not going round it.. you're wrong.. everything i've said can be supported with basic googling. on the other hand there is nothing to independently verify your claim, pesky PC conspiracy *shakes fist at it*, so just keep froth-in at the mouth ol' buddy and howlin' at the moon...

I see, if it can be supported then SUPPORT IT, with something more than insults, "you're wrong" and "I said so" remember not with opinion but with legislative fact. The same burden of proof you put on me.

Last edited by lowing (2010-01-11 15:05:30)

I can see why you might think the way you are thinking regarding this blasphemy law but all I can say is I strongly believe you are dead wrong on the Islamic aspect. We really don't have a significant Muslim population here, the Muslim community is certainly not a political hot potato. They have no political representation that I'm aware of. They appear to have integrated quite well in any instances that I've personally observed. There really is no reason whatsoever to pander to a virtually insignificant minority, it just doesn't make any sense. Take a look at the Wikipedia map of Islam in Europe, the areas in grey constitute areas where Islam accounts for less than a percent of the population (and given the economic slide I'd imagine this number will be dwindling further).



That being said and underlying reasons aside, this law does provide a potentially disastrous advantage to any Muslim who decides to get a bee in their bonnet over controversial cartoons or anything of a blasphemous nature and it is a grave threat to free speech. I really don't know why our Government has taken the position it has taken. One strange thing about this country is that in times of economic strife many in society here regress back to our conservative Catholic roots (I only hope the Pope doesn't visit us again any time soon!).

But to reiterate, it has nothing to Muslims. Honestly lowing, you can relax on this one, trust me.

Braddock wrote:

I can see why you might think the way you are thinking regarding this blasphemy law but all I can say is I strongly believe you are dead wrong on the Islamic aspect. We really don't have a significant Muslim population here, the Muslim community is certainly not a political hot potato. They have no political representation that I'm aware of. They appear to have integrated quite well in any instances that I've personally observed. There really is no reason whatsoever to pander to a virtually insignificant minority, it just doesn't make any sense. Take a look at the Wikipedia map of Islam in Europe, the areas in grey constitute areas where Islam accounts for less than a percent of the population (and given the economic slide I'd imagine this number will be dwindling further).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … Europe.png

That being said and underlying reasons aside, this law does provide a potentially disastrous advantage to any Muslim who decides to get a bee in their bonnet over controversial cartoons or anything of a blasphemous nature and it is a grave threat to free speech. I really don't know why our Government has taken the position it has taken. One strange thing about this country is that in times of economic strife many in society here regress back to our conservative Catholic roots (I only hope the Pope doesn't visit us again any time soon!).

But to reiterate, it has nothing to Muslims. Honestly lowing, you can relax on this one, trust me.

Braddock, it is all over the net the exponential population growth within the Irish Islamic community. This will become a problem for you, as you have already stated, Muslims will benefit from this greater than anyone else.

IG-Calibre wrote:

Braddock wrote:

I can see why you might think the way you are thinking regarding this blasphemy law but all I can say is I strongly believe you are dead wrong on the Islamic aspect. We really don't have a significant Muslim population here, the Muslim community is certainly not a political hot potato. They have no political representation that I'm aware of. They appear to have integrated quite well in any instances that I've personally observed. There really is no reason whatsoever to pander to a virtually insignificant minority, it just doesn't make any sense. Take a look at the Wikipedia map of Islam in Europe, the areas in grey constitute areas where Islam accounts for less than a percent of the population (and given the economic slide I'd imagine this number will be dwindling further).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … Europe.png

That being said and underlying reasons aside, this law does provide a potentially disastrous advantage to any Muslim who decides to get a bee in their bonnet over controversial cartoons or anything of a blasphemous nature and it is a grave threat to free speech. I really don't know why our Government has taken the position it has taken. One strange thing about this country is that in times of economic strife many in society here regress back to our conservative Catholic roots (I only hope the Pope doesn't visit us again any time soon!).

But to reiterate, it has nothing to Muslims. Honestly lowing, you can relax on this one, trust me.

I know, I hope they start complaining about the Irish state Broadcasters call to prayer twice a day "The angelus" @ 12pm and 6pm - time for that to go 'n' all, can you imagine the outrage when that happens? Haha.. this is why I think it will be repealed as unworkable so there will be a separation of Church and State particularly to keep the Northern Protestants happy come reunification in 2016 (yes Lowing that is my opinion before you start crying for evidence)

Too late, after your bullshit grand standing and insults and condemnation of my opinion, it turns out, when challenged, opinion is all you bring to the table as well.

You owe me an apology.

Last edited by lowing (2010-01-11 15:27:23)

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Braddock wrote:

I can see why you might think the way you are thinking regarding this blasphemy law but all I can say is I strongly believe you are dead wrong on the Islamic aspect. We really don't have a significant Muslim population here, the Muslim community is certainly not a political hot potato. They have no political representation that I'm aware of. They appear to have integrated quite well in any instances that I've personally observed. There really is no reason whatsoever to pander to a virtually insignificant minority, it just doesn't make any sense. Take a look at the Wikipedia map of Islam in Europe, the areas in grey constitute areas where Islam accounts for less than a percent of the population (and given the economic slide I'd imagine this number will be dwindling further).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … Europe.png

That being said and underlying reasons aside, this law does provide a potentially disastrous advantage to any Muslim who decides to get a bee in their bonnet over controversial cartoons or anything of a blasphemous nature and it is a grave threat to free speech. I really don't know why our Government has taken the position it has taken. One strange thing about this country is that in times of economic strife many in society here regress back to our conservative Catholic roots (I only hope the Pope doesn't visit us again any time soon!).

But to reiterate, it has nothing to Muslims. Honestly lowing, you can relax on this one, trust me.

I know, I hope they start complaining about the Irish state Broadcasters call to prayer twice a day "The angelus" @ 12pm and 6pm - time for that to go 'n' all, can you imagine the outrage when that happens? Haha.. this is why I think it will be repealed as unworkable so there will be a separation of Church and State particularly to keep the Northern Protestants happy come reunification in 2016 (yes Lowing that is my opinion before you start crying for evidence)

Too late, after your bullshit grand standing and insults and condemnation of my opinion, it turns out, when challenged, opinion is all you bring to the table as well.

You owe me an apology.

haha if that is seriously how you interpret that you really are mistaken..

you have failed to show one single link between the Danish cartoon & Ireland's Blasphemy laws, not one - the reason for this is because of some "PC Conspiracy!" according to you

I have showed evidence to back up all my claims and analysis, every last one of them with evidence to support them but a simple google search away..

So.... No... fuck off Lowing I owe you nothing except my derision and ridicule and you can have that in buckets.. JOKE

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2010-01-11 15:33:11)

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I know, I hope they start complaining about the Irish state Broadcasters call to prayer twice a day "The angelus" @ 12pm and 6pm - time for that to go 'n' all, can you imagine the outrage when that happens? Haha.. this is why I think it will be repealed as unworkable so there will be a separation of Church and State particularly to keep the Northern Protestants happy come reunification in 2016 (yes Lowing that is my opinion before you start crying for evidence)

Too late, after your bullshit grand standing and insults and condemnation of my opinion, it turns out, when challenged, opinion is all you bring to the table as well.

You owe me an apology.

haha if that is seriously how you interpret that you really are mistaken..

you have failed to show one single link between the Danish cartoon & Ireland's Blasphemy laws, not one - the reason for this is because of some "PC Conspiracy!" according to you

I have showed evidence to back up all my claims and analysis, every last one of them with evidence to support them but a simple google search away..

So.... No... fuck off Lowing I owe you nothing except my derision and ridicule and you can have that in buckets.. JOKE

you have posted dick, the only thing posted was from Cam, and that is what I questioned several times. All you have posted is the consittuion which does not support your claim that this is for Catholics.

Again you have been reduced to admitting you have nothing except opinion, that you can not support under the same burden of proof you insist I must endure.

I will take your insults, any insult that replaces an argument is a victory in any debate.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Some facts...

1. Muslims account for less than 1% of the Irish population.
2. Ireland has never experienced any co-ordinated political violence from the Islamic community.
3. There is no significant Islamic influence or lobby group within Irish politics.

more facts, the Muslim population is growing fast in Ireland

Islam is the 3rd largest religion in Ireland

Attacks in England is close enough to Ireland to raise some eyebrows.

There are Islamic lobby groups in Ireland, only to become more influential as the Muslim population increases. ( opinion)

• It is the third biggest religion lowing, weighing in at a whopping 0.8% of the population! Forgive me if I'm not running to the store to stock up on ammo and sandbags.

• England is a completely different country to Ireland, different socially, different culturally, different ethnically, and different religiously. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. You claiming that events in England have any relation to affairs here would be like me claiming that events in the south of Mexico have some sort of bearing on events in New York.

• Perhaps you could point me in the direction of these Islamic lobby groups because I've never seen hide nor hair of them in all my time here living in the capital city.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Some facts...

1. Muslims account for less than 1% of the Irish population.
2. Ireland has never experienced any co-ordinated political violence from the Islamic community.
3. There is no significant Islamic influence or lobby group within Irish politics.

more facts, the Muslim population is growing fast in Ireland

Islam is the 3rd largest religion in Ireland

Attacks in England is close enough to Ireland to raise some eyebrows.

There are Islamic lobby groups in Ireland, only to become more influential as the Muslim population increases. ( opinion)

• It is the third biggest religion lowing, weighing in at a whopping 0.8% of the population! Forgive me if I'm not running to the store to stock up on ammo and sandbags.

• England is a completely different country to Ireland, different socially, different culturally, different ethnically, and different religiously. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. You claiming that events in England have any relation to affairs here would be like me claiming that events in the south of Mexico have some sort of bearing on events in New York.

• Perhaps you could point me in the direction of these Islamic lobby groups because I've never seen hide nor hair of them in all my time here living in the capital city.

.....and rising

well funny, immigration form Mexico does influence NY as well as the rest of the country.

http://www.islaminireland.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5SIACk4drY

http://muslimcommunitylobbyireland.blogspot.com/

http://mpac.ie/

http://mpac.ie/2009/10/25/implementing- … otic-duty/