BF2S Forums Irish atheists challenge new blasphemy laws

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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

this is directed toward Islamic appeasement and nothing more. Period

lol. It was in our constitution in 1937 - it was only legislated for now. You really don't get how powerful the Catholic Church is in this nation do you? They run the primary schools for christ's sake - which is abhorrent in a modern western society. Ireland has practically no muslims - there would be nobody much to appease in that regard. This law must be struck out of our nation by means of referendum (given that it's part of our constitution). The main parties are probably too chickenshit because they don't want to upset all the cross-wielding rosary-chanting Catholic biddy voters. Irish politics is a tad more 'provincial' that it is in the US or UK or elsewhere, something you don't seem to know, realise or care to realise.

If you honestly think this has anything to do with Islam then it absolutely 100% proves you are irrational and make baseless comments as a matter of course, with little understanding for anything much you post on. Period.

I have been shown it has been in your constitution, but it has never been taken seriously until now. This new found interest coincides with similar being pushed into legislation of other countries or is already legislation in Islamic countries.

The UN is also pushing this type of legislation into international law.


http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/200 … ional-law/


It appears Ireland is doing nothing but jumping on the band wagon.

unless you can show me where this new found interest in curtailing your freedoms  stems from, what other conclusion could be made?

THis is what I have been asking for and still no one has given me any links to this. Plenty of insults though.

lowing wrote:

Once again, here we go attacking sources instead of information.

Since when do you have a right NOT to be offended, if not for appeasement. Who else has that right?

Mary McAleese has said she is "deeply sorry" for the offence her remarks comparing Nazi hatred with Northern Ireland have caused.
The Irish president said children were taught to hate Catholics in the same way Nazis despised Jews.

She said she was devastated by the reaction which her remarks generated and acknowledged she had been "clumsy".

Mrs McAleese made the comments before attending ceremonies marking 60 years since Auschwitz was liberated.

President McAleese said the anti-semitism that existed for decades had been built upon by the Nazis.

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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

http://blasphemy.ie/history-of-irish-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/

This is the evolution of it right here. For your own benefit, I would advise you that you are making yourself look very silly and conspiracy-theorist-like in the context of this issue as it pertains to Ireland by ranting on about matters totally detached from this matter. Your connection of this issue to Islam is so far out of whack it's difficult to comprehend how poorly you know Ireland and it's Catholic chains.

From your source.

"“Blasphemous matter” is defined as matter “that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion; and he or she intends, by the publication of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage."

"The Committee suggested that, If there is a need to protect against religious offence or incitement, it is more appropriate that this be dealt by way of legislative intervention, with due regard to the fundamental right of free speech."




These 2 quotes, reflect a direct concern of outrage or incitement, regarding this new law.

Now as of recent, Islam is the only religion that outrage or incitement has been a major concern outside of Islamic countries.

I have never read of any concern by any govt., regarding Christian outrage or incitement regarding blasphemous speech or print. Yet here it is in your own source that outrage and incitement is the major factor regarding this new law.

So again, if not for concern of outrage or incitement regarding Islam, what outrage or incitement are they referring to, since no other religion has ever been incited or outraged to the point of concern before?

lowing wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

http://blasphemy.ie/history-of-irish-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/

This is the evolution of it right here. For your own benefit, I would advise you that you are making yourself look very silly and conspiracy-theorist-like in the context of this issue as it pertains to Ireland by ranting on about matters totally detached from this matter. Your connection of this issue to Islam is so far out of whack it's difficult to comprehend how poorly you know Ireland and it's Catholic chains.

From your source.

"“Blasphemous matter” is defined as matter “that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion; and he or she intends, by the publication of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage."

"The Committee suggested that, If there is a need to protect against religious offence or incitement, it is more appropriate that this be dealt by way of legislative intervention, with due regard to the fundamental right of free speech."




These 2 quotes, reflect a direct concern of outrage or incitement, regarding this new law.

Now as of recent, Islam is the only religion that outrage or incitement has been a major concern outside of Islamic countries.

I have never read of any concern by any govt., regarding Christian outrage or incitement regarding blasphemous speech or print. Yet here it is in your own source that outrage and incitement is the major factor regarding this new law.

So again, if not for concern of outrage or incitement regarding Islam, what outrage or incitement are they referring to, since no other religion has ever been incited or outraged to the point of concern before?

Through all of the insults, and your argument that 3 Irishmen say I am wrong , none of you address this. So I will post it again as a response to your insults, in hopes that you will address it, and actually answer it.