BF2S Forums Irish atheists challenge new blasphemy laws

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Actually...  with California, it was religion without a doubt.  Rick Warren and several others pushed a misinformation campaign that led to the passing of Proposition 8.  It was almost entirely built on religion and religion-induced homophobia.

California is best known for its ultraliberal coastal cities, but its interior has some of the most conservative and religious communities in America.  In addition to this, many black and Latino communities are not only religious but notoriously homophobic.

Washington was largely the same in why it voted down gay marriage.  Seattle has one of the most active homosexual communities in America, but the rural interior of Washington is very conservative.

As for Maine, I don't know as much about them.

Frankly, it's the flamboyants that are hurting their own cause. Just as militant atheists and fundamentalist religious give their causes bad names, so to do the extremists in the gay community. Every single parade has gay men on floats behaving ludely and that is the image that sticks in peoples minds. It's not fair, but they've done it to themselves.

Besides, certain people keep preaching about the joys of Socialism and Democracy... this is the result of Democracy. The Tyranny of the Majority always wins. In this case they're the religious folks. Are they wrong for voting for what they feel is right? Of course not.

Does this offend you?

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ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Do a quick check on the amount of muslims we have in ireland. go actually check your figures. In an average week, in one of the biggest citys on the island i see maybe 2% of the total people, who are non-white.

So? In case you haven't noticed lately, Islam has had no problems infiltrating any place they see fit to lend attention to.

This does nothing to show where this is not set up for Islamic appeasement. If you want to prove this to me, show me where this has been a pressing issue BEFORE, Islamic terrorism, or retaliation has been a major concern.

love the way you ask other people for 'proof' and 'evidence' when all you give in support of your arguments is....er...nothing. Well done.

IG-Calibre wrote:

Lowing as usual you're talking shite man, this has fuck all to do with Muslims. It's to do with the conflict on this island for centuries - I reckon that this is a step in the process to actually remove the constitutional Protection of Catholicism in the Republic to make a one state solution more suitable to Northern Protestants come reunification - you remove the protection of Catholicism by affording it to all religions - then repeal the law so none is protected - as it should be to separate church and state.

IG-Calibre wrote:

Clearly you are devoid of understanding about the conflict on the island of Ireland Lowing.. but you keep Banging on there matey for the Lulz..

FatherTed wrote:

lowing you have two irishmen in here telling you you are totally wrong...

lowing wrote:

Already countered that argument with this "In case you haven't noticed lately, Islam has had no problems infiltrating any place they see fit to lend attention to. "

lowing wrote:

and Turquoise that really isn't fair of you to say, just because you and others do not agree with me does not mean my posts are irrational. They aren't.

lowing wrote:

I have no problem being proven wrong here, I am just waiting for someone to stop dancing and show me where these laws were pressing issues BEFORE Islamic terrorism and Islamic retaliation became a concern. I really do not think that is an irrational request, especially since you all deny Islam has any thing to do with it.

Cybargs wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Frankly, it's the flamboyants that are hurting their own cause. Just as militant atheists and fundamentalist religious give their causes bad names, so to do the extremists in the gay community. Every single parade has gay men on floats behaving ludely and that is the image that sticks in peoples minds. It's not fair, but they've done it to themselves.

Besides, certain people keep preaching about the joys of Socialism and Democracy... this is the result of Democracy. The Tyranny of the Majority always wins. In this case they're the religious folks. Are they wrong for voting for what they feel is right? Of course not.

Actually, because this is a civil rights issue, they are wrong.  Civil rights aren't subject to the will of the majority.  This is true of both democracy and socialism.  We currently suffer the tyranny of the majority only because our Justice System has been unable to right this wrong so far, and because we've foolishly incorporated a religious institution into government (marriage).

Once we separate marriage from government, the issue becomes more clearly a secular, civil rights issue that no religion will hold any weight in.

Until then, we'll suffer the effects of the ignorant majority and the religions they hide behind to justify their homophobia with.

It's funny most blacks voted against gay marriage and there is a strong social stigma against homosexuality in black culture (I'd say religious based "Baby you need to see jesus" that type of shite).

There is no reason whatsoever that marriage shouldn't be legalized between gay couples. It is simple deprivation of civil liberties that the Constitution is suppose to protect in the first place. As lowing said (Goddamn I'm quoting lowing) "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and persuit of happiness."

Stubbee wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

So? In case you haven't noticed lately, Islam has had no problems infiltrating any place they see fit to lend attention to.

This does nothing to show where this is not set up for Islamic appeasement. If you want to prove this to me, show me where this has been a pressing issue BEFORE, Islamic terrorism, or retaliation has been a major concern.

love the way you ask other people for 'proof' and 'evidence' when all you give in support of your arguments is....er...nothing. Well done.

lowing's point is that this law probably would not have been proposed if not for the Muslim overreactions to various perceived slights.
Ireland has had its far share of violence but both sides worship the same deity albeit in slightly different ways.

Would the law has been proposed without the Muslim riots of that famous cartoon? I don't think so. Because nothing outside of Muslim society has shown the same level of animosity towards other religions. Unless you can provide some of the proof lowing asked you folks to provide. Where are the stories of Jews/Christians/Buddhists/Shintoists freaking out over a cartoon or a book?

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

But the majority are religious so... good luck. This is the world you want. Majority rule.

I would argue neither party wants absolute majority rule.  Liberals don't want it because civil rights for minorities never begin as a popular idea.

Conservatives don't want it, because the majority supports more gun control.  The only reason we don't have more gun control is because gun rights activists are much more avid about the issue than control supporters are, and there is a much more powerful lobby behind gun rights and gun manufacturers.

Coincidentally, I'm both a supporter of civil rights and gun rights.

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Tetrino wrote:

Token Muslim here, and props to the Irish atheists for including George Carlin among those quotes.

I don't particularly see how the passing of this law is related to the recent terrorism attempt by Al-Qaeda and/or the intrusion of the Danish cartoonist's home. Granted, they're inspired by Islamist extremism (aka bullshit false teachings and idiots not thinking for themselves), but from the info in this thread, Ireland has no reason to fear any sort of religious backlash, since the airport attack was and is in response to continued US operations disrupting Al-Qaeda activity in the Middle East, while the attempt on the Danish cartoonist's life is both because of the cartoonist's own idiocy (those cartoons were hardly even funny, they just served to needlessly bash Islam) and some idiot so-called 'Muslim' who can't build a bridge and bloody get over it.

Mekstizzle wrote:

Tetrino wrote:

Token Muslim here, and props to the Irish atheists for including George Carlin among those quotes.

I don't particularly see how the passing of this law is related to the recent terrorism attempt by Al-Qaeda and/or the intrusion of the Danish cartoonist's home. Granted, they're inspired by Islamist extremism (aka bullshit false teachings and idiots not thinking for themselves), but from the info in this thread, Ireland has no reason to fear any sort of religious backlash, since the airport attack was and is in response to continued US operations disrupting Al-Qaeda activity in the Middle East, while the attempt on the Danish cartoonist's life is both because of the cartoonist's own idiocy (those cartoons were hardly even funny, they just served to needlessly bash Islam) and some idiot so-called 'Muslim' who can't build a bridge and bloody get over it.

His own idiocy? Why would he expect people to try to kill him and riot and do all sorts of stupid shit over it? Yeah, he knew he was doing something stupid. But to expect such a stupid response, well that's not his fault. People could have just ignored him. It's not like they have to retaliate, unless, you know, they're fucking crazy/fanatical/retarded.

And if you think it was their god given right to retaliate in such ways, then there's the problem. Not him, but you guys, bang on right there.