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lowing wrote:

I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact.

Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact

classic lowing - starts off with 'I have an opinion..' and ends with 'this is a fact'. lol.

IG-Calibre wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

classic lowing - starts off with 'I have an opinion..' and ends with 'this is a fact' which very conveniently for Lowing, cannot be proved because of a larger "PC conspiracy", & definitely not because he's taking out his hoop..

Fix'd..

I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact. Your insistance that this is not true simply doesn't make it so.

Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, Either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact



Also, mentioning your childishness is not the same as getting  my "feathers ruffled" by it. You give yourself way too much credit.

FatherTed wrote:

ireland has a track record of appeasement? please enlighten me with your deep knowledge of Irish history.

Ain't just Ireland, Europe as a whole has a track record of appeasement. Like it or not saying Ireland is not included in that, is like speaking of US foreign policy, except for Kansas.



Although based on recent action taken by Ireland a certain group is pleased and it ain't freedom loving westerners. You figure it out.

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

classic lowing - starts off with 'I have an opinion..' and ends with 'this is a fact' which very conveniently for Lowing, cannot be proved because of a larger "PC conspiracy", & definitely not because he's taking out his hoop..

Fix'd..

I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact. Your insistance that this is not true simply doesn't make it so.

Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, Either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact



Also, mentioning your childishness is not the same as getting  my "feathers ruffled" by it. You give yourself way too much credit.

The only fact of relevance in all that bluster Lowing that's wrothy of discussion is McAleese did condemn the cartoons - a president who has no influence in legislation and fulfills a largely ceremonial role, & it's not my "opinion" that you or any of the "commentators" that you perceive to be supporting your "opinions" are wrong, it's the "facts" that say you're wrong. This is what you fail to grasp.  The Blog was quoted in response to another of your worthless opinion replies when confounded with not being able to present any facts to back it up as usual.  Go Lowing!! type another shit reply. give us all a laugh..

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lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

classic lowing - starts off with 'I have an opinion..' and ends with 'this is a fact' which very conveniently for Lowing, cannot be proved because of a larger "PC conspiracy", & definitely not because he's taking out his hoop..

Fix'd..

I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact. Your insistance that this is not true simply doesn't make it so.

Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, Either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact



Also, mentioning your childishness is not the same as getting  my "feathers ruffled" by it. You give yourself way too much credit.

I'm sorry lowing but I've taken offence to this comment and would like you to back it up with something... "Ireland has a track record for appeasement and denial"? Please give some examples. I will hold my hand up and admit we are a soft touch when it comes to US foreign policy and the use of our airports for dubious activities but beyond that? We certainly did not lay back and appease the British occupying regime.

Don't just come back at me with the claim that you were talking about Europe in general, you specifically mentioned Ireland there. Please clarify.

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Fix'd..

I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact. Your insistance that this is not true simply doesn't make it so.

Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, Either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact



Also, mentioning your childishness is not the same as getting  my "feathers ruffled" by it. You give yourself way too much credit.

The only fact of relevance in all that bluster Lowing that's wrothy of discussion is McAleese did condemn the cartoons - a president who has no influence in legislation and fulfills a largely ceremonial role, & it's not my "opinion" that you or any of the "commentators" that you perceive to be supporting your "opinions" are wrong, it's the "facts" that say you're wrong. This is what you fail to grasp.  The Blog was quoted in response to another of your worthless opinion replies when confounded with not being able to present any facts to back it up as usual.  Go Lowing!! type another shit reply. give us all a laugh..

Well thats nice, yeah sure our president said those things but but but, she doesn't count

And it is not MY opinion they are supporting. I agree with THEIR opinions. and I found their opinions more believeable than your classic, "3 Irishmen said so" argument.

Lool like it or not, your move toward throwing away basic freedoms plays right into the hands of people that hate our freedoms. If you do not think it is a problem, fine. I don't really care. Ireland is of little consequence on the world stage anyway.

Most everyone else sees it is as yet another classic European bonehead move to keep the peace at a cost too high most westerners would pay. Your choice have fun with it.

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lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I have voiced an opinion that the actions of Ireland is the same path as the rest of Europe.. appeasement. Ireland refused to re-print the pictures for fear of backlash, this is a fact. your president condemned the printing of the cartoons as well, another fact. You wanna count some obscure blog fine, not exactly what I had in mind however. This is an opinion shared by writers in your own newspapers, and commentary on your own news channels, this is also a fact. Your insistance that this is not true simply doesn't make it so.

Ireland like the rest of europe, has a track record for appeasement and denial. Islam welcomes your new laws while the west is appalled by it, Either by accident or on purpose, the fact still remains, Ireland is pleasing the wrong people. fact



Also, mentioning your childishness is not the same as getting  my "feathers ruffled" by it. You give yourself way too much credit.

I'm sorry lowing but I've taken offence to this comment and would like you to back it up with something... "Ireland has a track record for appeasement and denial"? Please give some examples. I will hold my hand up and admit we are a soft touch when it comes to US foreign policy and the use of our airports for dubious activities but beyond that? We certainly did not lay back and appease the British occupying regime.

Don't just come back at me with the claim that you were talking about Europe in general, you specifically mentioned Ireland there. Please clarify.

Already explained my post, Ireland is part of the EU, and the EU as a whole lives for appeasement. Your new laws are very attractive to the wrong crowd, while appalling to westerners who love and embrace freedom. Sorry if ya hate that.

Ireland is a country in its own right, with its own constitution within the wider EU framework. Lumping us in with every other EU nation in a broad statement about appeasement would be like me saying that San Francisco has a very bad track record on racism and Klan activity because of the history of some of the Southern States.

You're so out of touch with European reality lowing that it's becoming hilarious. Several European countries have had pre-existing blasphemy laws dating from before WW2 and even earlier (i.e. nothing whatsoever to do with the supposed modern "Islamification" of Europe). The only time these laws have been enforced in recent history has been in the case of Christianity being offended (Germany 1994). No one was punished as a result of the Danish cartoons, Salmon Rushdie was not punished for publishing his book the Satanic Verses in the UK, no one has been punished here in Ireland for publishing the 25 explicitly blasphemous comments selected by 'Atheist Ireland', Oriana Falacci was never punished for any of her disgusting racist comments about Islam, and France (the country with the largest Muslim population in Europe) currently have banned the wearing of headscarfs, burqhas, and conspicuous religious symbols in public and State institutes... a great track record of appeasement!

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Already explained my post, Ireland is part of the EU, and the EU as a whole lives for appeasement. Your new laws are very attractive to the wrong crowd, while appalling to westerners who love and embrace freedom. Sorry if ya hate that.

Ireland is a country in its own right, with its own constitution within the wider EU framework. Lumping us in with every other EU nation in a broad statement about appeasement would be like me saying that San Francisco has a very bad track record on racism and Klan activity because of the history of some of the Southern States.

You're so out of touch with European reality lowing that it's becoming hilarious. Several European countries have had pre-existing blasphemy laws dating from before WW2 and even earlier (i.e. nothing whatsoever to do with the supposed modern "Islamification" of Europe). The only time these laws have been enforced in recent history has been in the case of Christianity being offended (Germany 1994). No one was punished as a result of the Danish cartoons, Salmon Rushdie was not punished for publishing his book the Satanic Verses in the UK, no one has been punished here in Ireland for publishing the 25 explicitly blasphemous comments selected by 'Atheist Ireland', Oriana Falacci was never punished for any of her disgusting racist comments about Islam, and France (the country with the largest Muslim population in Europe) currently have banned the wearing of headscarfs, burqhas, and conspicuous religious symbols in public and State institutes... a great track record of appeasement!

You're right Ireland is a country in its own right, with its own Constituion, and now JUST like Islamic countries, among others, you have thrown away 2 of your basic freedoms, in an effort according to you, to deal with the on going Catholic menace of outrage and incitement. Forget that there isn't any, that does not matter.

You have bent over backwards to throw away your freedoms, much to the delight of Islam and........wellllll..............no one else.

That is the bottom line, It is an opinion expressed by people within your own country, and your media. I agree with it, Take it up with them..

Bent over backwards??? We amended an article of the constitution that contravened EU equality legislation, because a referendum to remove the law would be too expensive in the current economic climate.

I notice you conveniently skipped over the host of other examples I presented showing Europe to be anything but in favour of appeasement. Care to comment?

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Ireland is a country in its own right, with its own constitution within the wider EU framework. Lumping us in with every other EU nation in a broad statement about appeasement would be like me saying that San Francisco has a very bad track record on racism and Klan activity because of the history of some of the Southern States.

You're so out of touch with European reality lowing that it's becoming hilarious. Several European countries have had pre-existing blasphemy laws dating from before WW2 and even earlier (i.e. nothing whatsoever to do with the supposed modern "Islamification" of Europe). The only time these laws have been enforced in recent history has been in the case of Christianity being offended (Germany 1994). No one was punished as a result of the Danish cartoons, Salmon Rushdie was not punished for publishing his book the Satanic Verses in the UK, no one has been punished here in Ireland for publishing the 25 explicitly blasphemous comments selected by 'Atheist Ireland', Oriana Falacci was never punished for any of her disgusting racist comments about Islam, and France (the country with the largest Muslim population in Europe) currently have banned the wearing of headscarfs, burqhas, and conspicuous religious symbols in public and State institutes... a great track record of appeasement!

You're right Ireland is a country in its own right, with its own Constituion, and now JUST like Islamic countries, among others, you have thrown away 2 of your basic freedoms, in an effort according to you, to deal with the on going Catholic menace of outrage and incitement. Forget that there isn't any, that does not matter.

You have bent over backwards to throw away your freedoms, much to the delight of Islam and........wellllll..............no one else.

That is the bottom line, It is an opinion expressed by people within your own country, and your media. I agree with it, Take it up with them..

Bent over backwards??? We amended an article of the constitution that contravened EU equality legislation, because a referendum to remove the law would be too expensive in the current economic climate.

I notice you conveniently skipped over the host of other examples I presented showing Europe to be anything but in favour of appeasement. Care to comment?

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/ … _being.php

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Bent over backwards??? We amended an article of the constitution that contravened EU equality legislation, because a referendum to remove the law would be too expensive in the current economic climate.

I notice you conveniently skipped over the host of other examples I presented showing Europe to be anything but in favour of appeasement. Care to comment?

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/ … _being.php

What am I supposed to be reading in that link lowing? It's just someone's opinions being documented on a conservative right-wing blog. It hasn't even been spell-checked (e.g. "but in there hearts the Europeans know the truth" - that's not a 'pressed the wrong key' typo, that's a 'dumbass can't spell properly' typo). None of the key points allude to any facts, instead they merely express his personal opinion. One key point even alludes to Europe's inaction over genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo... where it was Muslims who were the victims of genocide.

There has been one serious example of appeasement that has annoyed my here in Europe since WW2, and that was the formation of Kosovo as an independent nation. Ethnic Albanian Mulims moved en masse to another region and then re-drew the border to suit their new 'state'... and this act of appeasement was supported and rubber-stamped by the US. So much so that ethnic Albanian Muslims were seen parading the American flag in the streets in celebration on the day independence was declared. Well done America.

yeah this was one of the most disturbing moments for me in 09. Fast spreading Albanians move into foreign county, densely populate it and become independent with support of USA. That just ain't right.

Braddock wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What am I supposed to be reading in that link lowing? It's just someone's opinions being documented on a conservative right-wing blog. It hasn't even been spell-checked (e.g. "but in there hearts the Europeans know the truth" - that's not a 'pressed the wrong key' typo, that's a 'dumbass can't spell properly' typo). None of the key points allude to any facts, instead they merely express his personal opinion. One key point even alludes to Europe's inaction over genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo... where it was Muslims who were the victims of genocide.

There has been one serious example of appeasement that has annoyed my here in Europe since WW2, and that was the formation of Kosovo as an independent nation. Ethnic Albanian Mulims moved en masse to another region and then re-drew the border to suit their new 'state'... and this act of appeasement was supported and rubber-stamped by the US. So much so that ethnic Albanian Muslims were seen parading the American flag in the streets in celebration on the day independence was declared. Well done America.

yeah this was one of the most disturbing moments for me in 09. Fast spreading Albanians move into foreign county, densely populate it and become independent with support of USA. That just ain't right.

I find it strange that so many Americans seemed quite happy about it too.

well they are building the largest military base on the planet there + there are a lot of raw materials there that can bring a fortune

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Bent over backwards??? We amended an article of the constitution that contravened EU equality legislation, because a referendum to remove the law would be too expensive in the current economic climate.

I notice you conveniently skipped over the host of other examples I presented showing Europe to be anything but in favour of appeasement. Care to comment?

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/ … _being.php

What am I supposed to be reading in that link lowing? It's just someone's opinions being documented on a conservative right-wing blog. It hasn't even been spell-checked (e.g. "but in there hearts the Europeans know the truth" - that's not a 'pressed the wrong key' typo, that's a 'dumbass can't spell properly' typo). None of the key points allude to any facts, instead they merely express his personal opinion. One key point even alludes to Europe's inaction over genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo... where it was Muslims who were the victims of genocide.

There has been one serious example of appeasement that has annoyed me here in Europe since WW2, and that was the formation of Kosovo as an independent nation. Ethnic Albanian Mulims moved en masse to another region and then re-drew the border to suit their new 'state'... and this act of appeasement was supported and rubber-stamped by the US. So much so that ethnic Albanian Muslims were seen parading the American flag in the streets in celebration on the day independence was declared. Well done America.

well I can tell ya didn't read it. The blog was re-printing an article by Mathias Döpfner. and who is he?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_D%C3%B6pfner


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458455/posts


forget the blog and read what he wrote.

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