BF2S Forums Wow, someone tried to blow up a plane (Yes, a muslim)

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Lowing the US doesn't have a problem with Islam, it has a problem with terrorism. I think you need to make the distinction. A few hundred out of 1.4 Billion Muslims does not mean the US is at war with Islam.

Also, if you insist on screening every single Muslim or person of middle eastern appearance do you realise the time and manpower required? the delays in airports? the removal of rights to regular people and US citizens based simply on their beliefs? that is bullshit.

When you ask American's what they love about america etc etc, most say freedom. How is profiling, screening and searching US citizens or citizens or allied nations based on their religion free? How about we in Australia and Europe start screening American's because of their higher murder rates, more frequent massacres and home grown terrorist attacks. I'm sure you'd be disgusted if it was YOUR civil liberties and freedoms being impinged upon.

(Apologies if this has been discussed before, I have not read the entire thread)

No it has a probelm with ISLAMIC terrorism. To deny this is nothing more than head in the sand non-sense.

It is not just terrorism, it is the encroachment of Islam. I mean if you claim 1.4 billion, they gotta be going somewhere right? and it has already been concluded that westersn society and Islamic culture do not mix.

As far as screenings go, I don't give a shit how long it takes. You act as if 1.4 billion Muslims are all flying at the same time, on the same plane.

Because Islam is not just a religion, we have been over this. It is a way of life and a belief that does not mesh wirh western freedoms and tolerances.

If people like me were blowing up planes, markets and buildings, I would expect to be profiled.

If you do not want to deal profiling during this time of war, take your ass back to the Islamic culture, ( you love so much) filled country and stay there. Islam and its backpeddling, intolerant, stone age bullshit is not wanted or needed or appreciated here.

So say for example, some people from a different country, a different culture, a different political view, but shared the same religion as you had attacked a country a half dozen times. You would expect to be profiled?

If Islam is so diametrically opposed to the West CULTURE. Then why is Islamic terrorism only a relatively recent development? Is it perhaps rather perceived injustices and the unbalance of power and wealth? Perhaps due to America's constant interference in the Middle East? If it truly was Islam that was against western culture, then why have they not being attacking for hundreds of years? Why could Christians and Muslims live side by side without killing each other (and still do)

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

What is new is mass instant media and the ability to exploit it to send a bigger message.

The Crusades were not a huge event, big message with banners, advertisement, word of mouth, aka media?

No wonder nobody noticed them.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I really wonder how many people who defend Islam are atheists.

People who claim atheism just because they 'hate Christianity' are no atheists at all. They're just immature children.

Is that directed at anybody in particular?

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

So say for example, some people from a different country, a different culture, a different political view, but shared the same religion as you had attacked a country a half dozen times. You would expect to be profiled?

If Islam is so diametrically opposed to the West CULTURE. Then why is Islamic terrorism only a relatively recent development? Is it perhaps rather perceived injustices and the unbalance of power and wealth? Perhaps due to America's constant interference in the Middle East? If it truly was Islam that was against western culture, then why have they not being attacking for hundreds of years? Why could Christians and Muslims live side by side without killing each other (and still do)

A recent development? you might wanna check your history, terrorism dates back to where it all started with your beloved Muhammad.

the ME has all the oil, they are wealthy, no one has stolen it from them, they have purchased it, at their prices, after it was refined, developed as a commodity and marketed for them.

Also it isn't JUST western culture that Islam hates, Islam hates fuckin' everything and everybody, that is not Islam.

Lowing I thought it was always you who said keep it in todays world.... anyway, if your going back that far than the west (or Christianity if we are simply discussing religion) is just as guilty.

And the ME isn't wealthy, a small amount of western backed oil companies, princes and CEO are rich. I know thats not necessarily the west fault, but you can see how it would be perceived that way

Many Muslims look back at Muslim Spain with pride. But Jews also call it their "golden era".

Spain became part of the Islamic world at the beginning of the eighth century. Under Muslims, Spain became the center of civilization. Although many local Spaniards embraced Islam, Christians and Jews were free in all aspects of their lives. The Muslims respected their religion and institutions. The result was the birth of the first true cosmopolitan culture in the West.

Christians studied alongside Muslim scholars to such a degree that in 854, a Christian named Alvaro of Cordoba complained that these students were forgetting their own religion and culture.

The Muslims and Christians of Spain did not live in their ghettos, isolated and not cooperating in various aspects of daily life together.

It was in Spain that Aristotle's works on physics and natural history were translated into Arabic from Greek. Historians generally acknowledge that the Muslim world proved to be a major conduit of ancient scholarship into the West, especially through Muslim Spain.

It wasn't just Muslims and Christians who thrived in Spain, though. Jews, who were reviled and hated elsewhere, were not only living safely and peacefully alongside non-Jews in Muslim Spain, they were learning and contributing to its culture and knowledge which Muslim scholars had established. Al-Andalus was a key center of Jewish life during the early Middle Ages, producing important scholars and one of the most stable and wealthy Jewish communities.

But this success in wealth, knowledge and co-existence came to end in a violent and very sad way.

As Christian Crusaders of Spain expelled Muslims, civilization that took centuries to build was destroyed. Muslims and Jews were either expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. Millions died as tolerance was replaced by the Spanish Inquisition. A suspected Muslim was to be killed for the smallest act resembling Islamic tradition - such as taking a bath on Friday.

Spark wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

I don't know why they keep equating it all to religion, Islam itself probably had nothing to do, or very little, with it at all. Just like Christianity had more or less nothing to do with the Industrial Revolution or things like that. Just face the facts. And if you really think that some places were just stupid nonsense before Islam came in and showed them the light and brought all these scientific advancements, well there's nothing I can do to change that around really, it's just how you think. I'm not gonna sit here and accept your nonsense about religion being the force behind scientific advancement.

You probably have no idea of pre-Islamic civilisations anyway, in your book the world was nothing before Islam came around. Fuck that shit. Why don't you go ahead and educate yourself of the world before Islam came and took over half of it and then claimed all sorts of technological/scientific advancements from its colonies to itself.

Islam in this context means much more than 'religion'.

Spark wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Spark wrote:

Islam in this context means much more than 'religion'.

So then you're talking about what, the Arabic culture that it brought along? That was the driving force of all the progress in the Muslim-conquered world? I find that hard to believe. In the times before Islam, places like North Africa, Persia, Fertile Crescent etc.. were much more advanced than Arabia was. Where was places like Mecca etc.. on the map before Islam came around? Where were places like the whole of Arabia on the map before Islam? Before Islam, they were practically nothing. Even nowadays, that specific region of the world isn't really known for anything except Oil.

All I'm saying is, religion has very little to do with scientific and technological innovation. Except maybe in the fields of Astronomy and such. I'll tell you what the prime mover for advancements in science/technology was throughout history, it's War.

Hmm.

Can you back that up, link the many civil/social advancements in the region with wars in the area?

Beduin wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … in+Europe#

Many Muslims look back at Muslim Spain with pride. But Jews also call it their "golden era".

Spain became part of the Islamic world at the beginning of the eighth century. Under Muslims, Spain became the center of civilization. Although many local Spaniards embraced Islam, Christians and Jews were free in all aspects of their lives. The Muslims respected their religion and institutions. The result was the birth of the first true cosmopolitan culture in the West.

Christians studied alongside Muslim scholars to such a degree that in 854, a Christian named Alvaro of Cordoba complained that these students were forgetting their own religion and culture.

The Muslims and Christians of Spain did not live in their ghettos, isolated and not cooperating in various aspects of daily life together.

It was in Spain that Aristotle's works on physics and natural history were translated into Arabic from Greek. Historians generally acknowledge that the Muslim world proved to be a major conduit of ancient scholarship into the West, especially through Muslim Spain.

It wasn't just Muslims and Christians who thrived in Spain, though. Jews, who were reviled and hated elsewhere, were not only living safely and peacefully alongside non-Jews in Muslim Spain, they were learning and contributing to its culture and knowledge which Muslim scholars had established. Al-Andalus was a key center of Jewish life during the early Middle Ages, producing important scholars and one of the most stable and wealthy Jewish communities.

But this success in wealth, knowledge and co-existence came to end in a violent and very sad way.

As Christian Crusaders of Spain expelled Muslims, civilization that took centuries to build was destroyed. Muslims and Jews were either expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. Millions died as tolerance was replaced by the Spanish Inquisition. A suspected Muslim was to be killed for the smallest act resembling Islamic tradition - such as taking a bath on Friday.

Science in medieval Islam


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