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Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|4623|Brisneyland

AussieReaper wrote:

Yeah but at the moment people like Barnaby Joyce have too much power because there vote is so important.
Yeah, a few loonies are holding govt policy to ransome. I will be interested to see what happens in the election next year. The Nationals may take a big hit, but the country folk seem to like them, so I think we are stuck with some of them for a while. Fielding is all but gone though ( thats if his senate seat is up for election).
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS

Burwhale wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Yeah but at the moment people like Barnaby Joyce have too much power because there vote is so important.
Yeah, a few loonies are holding govt policy to ransome. I will be interested to see what happens in the election next year. The Nationals may take a big hit, but the country folk seem to like them, so I think we are stuck with some of them for a while. Fielding is all but gone though ( thats if his senate seat is up for election).
It is, either way. He was dead after the alcopops farce.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|4623|Brisneyland
For any non aussies that can be bothered following this thread. Let me introduce Steve Fielding.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS
what was that word he couldn't spell again?

ah yeah... "fiscal policy"

"physical policy...Fiscal... F-I-S-K-A-L"

I mean, people paid out GWB for not appearing that verbally articulate. This guy is just beyond the pale. His suggestions are often utter shit too... a "royal commission on climate change" that everyone with half a brain knows is an utterly shit suggestion.

Last edited by Spark (2009-11-30 03:55:37)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|4623|Brisneyland
I think his seat is pretty maginal as well. Cant see him getting re-elected. Its crazy how one nut job can hold the entire country to ransome. Hope that changes real soon. Democracy sure aint perfect I guess.

Last edited by Burwhale (2009-11-30 04:10:41)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS

Burwhale wrote:

I think his seat is pretty maginal as well. Cant see him getting re-elected. Its crazy how one nut job can hold the entire country to ransome. Hope that changes real soon. Democracy sure aint perfect I guess.
That's not it. He got elected on Labor preferences (with 1-2% of the primary vote...) and lost them aages ago. His days are numbered.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Macbeth
Banned
+2,389|3986

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|4623|Brisneyland

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
I asked ANU's top professor on polisci and an ardent republican (Prof John Warhurst) and he made it clear the model for a Republic he wanted was nothing like the American model, on a number of issues.

Speaking of a republic, I think this weeks events will have delayed a republic move for a long time given its most ardent and outspoken supporter, Turnbull, is dead-in-the-water.

I wonder what he'll do after tomorrow.

Last edited by Spark (2009-11-30 04:18:12)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Macbeth
Banned
+2,389|3986

Burwhale wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty. We also get to vote on our legislature members directly.

You guys should check it out.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-11-30 04:18:40)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS

Macbeth wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty.

You guys should check it out.
This bill was introduced a long, long time ago. It takes a long time anyway.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Macbeth
Banned
+2,389|3986

Spark wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Burwhale wrote:


Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty.

You guys should check it out.
This bill was introduced a long, long time ago. It takes a long time anyway.
I know just sayin, it's nice to be able to vote on your executive rather than pray to good that the majority party didn't pick an idiot. Works both ways though, we elected Bush.


Anyway /back to lurking this thread.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS

Macbeth wrote:

Spark wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty.

You guys should check it out.
This bill was introduced a long, long time ago. It takes a long time anyway.
I know just sayin, it's nice to be able to vote on your executive rather than pray to good that the majority party didn't pick an idiot. Works both ways though, we elected Bush.


Anyway /back to lurking this thread.
No, that's only the Senate. The house of reps works differently.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,268|5117

Macbeth wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty. We also get to vote on our legislature members directly.

You guys should check it out.
They figured out Australia would be better off as a commonwealth. In the end, there will be always idiotic politicians, no matter what system you use.
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Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|5066|NT, like Mick Dundee

Macbeth wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty. We also get to vote on our legislature members directly.

You guys should check it out.
Our equivalent of your 'secretaries', some of the most powerful people in the country, are all elected individuals who have a shit-load of advisors.

Unlike yours. Who are picked.



Just sayin.
Australian culture is about two things, football and racism.

I never know what to kick.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS
looks like abbott has won.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|5122|Sydney, Australia

Macbeth wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty. We also get to vote on our legislature members directly.

You guys should check it out.
What, in the USA? Lol..
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|5122|Sydney, Australia

Spark wrote:

looks like abbott has won.
Indeed he has - http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26424610-2,00.html
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS
By one vote against Turnbull.

o.O
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,760|4554|what

The best conspiracy theory so far is that Abbott supporters voted for Turnbull in the first round to knock Hockey out.

It's incredible. The public opinion was Hockey > Turnbull > Abbott and the results are the opposite.

I don't think the mad monk Abbott will be much of a leader. He's too tainted from the Howard years and knows it.

I'm sick of the Abbott and Bishop puns already.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png

"coz you a far cry from acclaim nigga ubisoft"
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|5075|Canberra, AUS
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/12/01/2758784.htm

A lot of people have increased respect for Turnbull, as they see his motivation in politics is driven by principle (with more than a bit of ambition) - not greed (the guy is loaded and I mean loaded).

I think, if Hockey shows the same weakness he showed today/yesterday Turnbull could have another crack in a few years, after he has more experience under his belt

Last edited by Spark (2009-11-30 22:10:23)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|5082|Disaster Free Zone

Macbeth wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

You guys might like a Presidential/Separation of Powers system
Please elaborate Macbeth.
Well in Presidential System you get you directly vote upon why you want as your executive. The executive is independent of the legislature. Net little system, provides stability and usually takes awhile for laws to get passed rather than right away since there is often little party loyalty. We also get to vote on our legislature members directly.

You guys should check it out.
From what I see and know of the American system, I hope to fucking god it stays there.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|5066|NT, like Mick Dundee

Ugh.

My first fed election and I'll probably end up sumbitting a vote which has graffiti on it.
Australian culture is about two things, football and racism.

I never know what to kick.
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|4623|Brisneyland
In other words the American system would give us another level of govt that we didnt have before. For a country that is always talking about small govt, the US seems to have a lot of it. I think we should avoid your system.

I didnt predict an abbot win for the opposition leadership. I think they may have well and truly fucked up their chances for the next election ( like it wasnt already). Having said that, Abbot is a Rhodes scholar, therefore a very smart man, so it would be dangerous to underestimate him. I am very dissapointed that the Liberals have gone down the conservative path again.

ETS looks like it is dead inthe water unless some progressive libs cross the floor, but I get the feeling that wont happen. The trigger for a double dissolution will  be given.

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