#theDingoAteYourBabyRTHKI wrote:
That's why I stay away from political tweets
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dont know why that's a joke in murika. Some woman actually lost her kid and was thrown in jail coz coppers thought she killed her kid. pretty messed up shit.SuperJail Warden wrote:
#theDingoAteYourBabyRTHKI wrote:
That's why I stay away from political tweets
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015 … record-low
~1/4 the US murder rate, and its been achieved without capital punishment, not needing anyone to sit on their porch spitting tobacco and stroking shotguns, and despite most of the population being descended from criminals.
Remarkable.
~1/4 the US murder rate, and its been achieved without capital punishment, not needing anyone to sit on their porch spitting tobacco and stroking shotguns, and despite most of the population being descended from criminals.
Remarkable.
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Dilbert_X wrote:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/02/05/national-murder-rate-hits-record-low
~1/4 the US murder rate, and its been achieved without capital punishment, not needing anyone to sit on their porch spitting tobacco and stroking shotguns, and despite most of the population being descended from criminals.
Remarkable.
the real croc dundee died in a shootout after he killed 2 cops because he thought the illuminati was going to take his kids away.
We truly are a City Upon a Hill! Even dilbert is using the US as a comparison. It's true though, Australia has also accepted a future of Capitalism without conscience or consequence, the American example. When's the Great Barrier Reef set to be demolished?Dilbert_X wrote:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/02/05/national-murder-rate-hits-record-low
~1/4 the US murder rate, and its been achieved without capital punishment, not needing anyone to sit on their porch spitting tobacco and stroking shotguns, and despite most of the population being descended from criminals.
Remarkable.
Campbell Newman got voted out as as Premier considering labour had only 7 seats out of the 45 needed in last government in QLD state.
So yeah, were doing a lot better on the reef issue now.
So yeah, were doing a lot better on the reef issue now.
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You don't need a reef. Australia is going to be a colony of China in 50 years anyway.
its the indians who are fucking it up.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You don't need a reef. Australia is going to be a colony of China in 50 years anyway.
Australia is the city on the hill now KenKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
We truly are a City Upon a Hill! Even dilbert is using the US as a comparison. It's true though, Australia has also accepted a future of Capitalism without conscience or consequence, the American example. When's the Great Barrier Reef set to be demolished?
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31380742
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Beat me to it.Cybargs wrote:
Campbell Newman got voted out as as Premier considering labour had only 7 seats out of the 45 needed in last government in QLD state.
So yeah, were doing a lot better on the reef issue now.
how so?Cybargs wrote:
its the indians who are fucking it up.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You don't need a reef. Australia is going to be a colony of China in 50 years anyway.
Because Abbott Point (lawl) is the largest coal dump site in Australia that is fucking up the reef and is operated by an Indian conglomerate.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
how so?Cybargs wrote:
its the indians who are fucking it up.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You don't need a reef. Australia is going to be a colony of China in 50 years anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adani_Group
China is actually lessening their impact since they're halting the import of thermal coal for their own economic/environmental reasons. So yeah, Chinese aren't the ones responsible for the reefs fuck ups.
What a day...
We started with the HRC's report into the mental anguish suffered by children in indefinite immigration detention. Tony reacted angrily to it, shouting about how it was a partisan attack on him - this despite the report expressly saying that both parties have the same abysmal record on refugee policy. When asked whether he feels any remorse at what Australia is putting refugee children through he staunchly replied in the clumsiest way possible that he didn't, even suggesting that his policies were a kindness.
Later he responded to concerns about what exactly a "competitive tender process" on the submarine contract means by bizarrely suggesting that Labor wanted to give the contract to Russia and North Korea.
Later on when questioned about what exactly his Government's policy was when it came to the submarine contract he turned it into an attack on the previous government, saying they were responsible for "a Holocaust of job losses" in the defence sector.
Later still, when again questioned on his numerous broken election promises Abbott was finally open about it. Yes, they did break the clearly stated promise not to cut the ABC - "and it was a good thing we did" he proudly exclaimed. Why it was a good thing he didn't elaborate on but I suppose it's refreshing to get some straight-talk from the bloke.
Day four of "good government" ladies and gentlemen.
The funny thing is that I think this is actually a serious attempt by Tony Abbott to turn his fortunes around. I think he's bought some of the bullshit that's been said about him in certain sectors like "he's too nice" and "he's not tough enough" and he aims to rectify that. He wants to be seen as Tough Tony again, the one that turned into a superhero after MH17, the one that promised to shirt-front Vladimir Putin at an economic summit prompting Russia to send warships to patrol just outside Australian waters.
Basically for the next little while I think Tony's actually going to be unapologetically brash and reckless, he's going to stop checking himself so he doesn't seem so timid. It's going to be a fun show.
Also today a US think-tank, the Council on Foreign Relations, asked the question "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?" The answer, surprisingly, was comprehensively in the affirmative.
We started with the HRC's report into the mental anguish suffered by children in indefinite immigration detention. Tony reacted angrily to it, shouting about how it was a partisan attack on him - this despite the report expressly saying that both parties have the same abysmal record on refugee policy. When asked whether he feels any remorse at what Australia is putting refugee children through he staunchly replied in the clumsiest way possible that he didn't, even suggesting that his policies were a kindness.
Later he responded to concerns about what exactly a "competitive tender process" on the submarine contract means by bizarrely suggesting that Labor wanted to give the contract to Russia and North Korea.
Later on when questioned about what exactly his Government's policy was when it came to the submarine contract he turned it into an attack on the previous government, saying they were responsible for "a Holocaust of job losses" in the defence sector.
Later still, when again questioned on his numerous broken election promises Abbott was finally open about it. Yes, they did break the clearly stated promise not to cut the ABC - "and it was a good thing we did" he proudly exclaimed. Why it was a good thing he didn't elaborate on but I suppose it's refreshing to get some straight-talk from the bloke.
Day four of "good government" ladies and gentlemen.
The funny thing is that I think this is actually a serious attempt by Tony Abbott to turn his fortunes around. I think he's bought some of the bullshit that's been said about him in certain sectors like "he's too nice" and "he's not tough enough" and he aims to rectify that. He wants to be seen as Tough Tony again, the one that turned into a superhero after MH17, the one that promised to shirt-front Vladimir Putin at an economic summit prompting Russia to send warships to patrol just outside Australian waters.
Basically for the next little while I think Tony's actually going to be unapologetically brash and reckless, he's going to stop checking himself so he doesn't seem so timid. It's going to be a fun show.
Also today a US think-tank, the Council on Foreign Relations, asked the question "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?" The answer, surprisingly, was comprehensively in the affirmative.
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They're still better than Labor, incredible though it may seem.
Unfortunately its the parents of 'refugee' children who put them through it, what would you prefer, anyone with a child should be allowed in?
Today is not a good day to complaining about the rights of 'refugees', with another jihadist plot to cut the head of a random Australian exposed.
Unfortunately its the parents of 'refugee' children who put them through it, what would you prefer, anyone with a child should be allowed in?
Today is not a good day to complaining about the rights of 'refugees', with another jihadist plot to cut the head of a random Australian exposed.
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Oh fuck off with your xenophobic rhetoric.
People are fleeing wartorn countries to seek a better life. You know, one where their kids can actually get fed.
It's costing the taxpayer $609,000 per refugee per year to keep them in squalor, with hundreds of confirmed cases of abuse and neglect.
Or they could be housed in the community at around $35,000 per refugee, become productive members of society and live much greater quality of life.
We're talking around 2,200 people here, hardly a threat to society.
People are fleeing wartorn countries to seek a better life. You know, one where their kids can actually get fed.
It's costing the taxpayer $609,000 per refugee per year to keep them in squalor, with hundreds of confirmed cases of abuse and neglect.
Or they could be housed in the community at around $35,000 per refugee, become productive members of society and live much greater quality of life.
We're talking around 2,200 people here, hardly a threat to society.
What Jaekus said. Australia's policies breach human rights, breach international law, unnecessarily costs taxpayers billions, and sees the abuse and trauma of thousands of people - all of whom are not convicted of a crime and most of whom can't even be said to have committed one. It's a stupid fucking situation and sadly both parties are responsible for it.
Also on that alleged jihadist plot - what the fucking fuck is the Prime Minister doing standing up in Parliament using evidence in a case that is yet to go to fucking trial to try and score political points? Does he not realise that this undermines the legal system? Does he not realise what impact this may have on seeing that these men get a fair trial? The consequences it has for a future prosecution of the pair? Surely he's not actually that fucking brain-dead.
Then there's Kevin Andrews using a dixer to score cheap points by effectively trying to accuse Labor of letting in terrorists. What the Hell was that supposed to accomplish you arse-brained cretin? "Oh so these two arrived when Labor was in power" well Man Haron Monis arrived under Howard, what the fuck difference does it make?
Sorry Dilbert, this pack of sociopathic fucking imbeciles are not better than Labor. And hey I'll even agree that Labor aren't particularly good - the entire political class in Australia is pretty rubbish - but nothing Labor did while in power has sunk to the levels of this lot no matter how much the LNP tries to paint the fault for everything and absolutely everything only resting in one place.
Yesterday Tony Abbott stated that in 17 months his Government had only made one mistake, going on to say that they weren't at fault for that anyway because the Senate and Labor were.
Well you know what if the LNP is so impotent that it doesn't have any influence on anything maybe they shouldn't be in charge of anything.
Also on that alleged jihadist plot - what the fucking fuck is the Prime Minister doing standing up in Parliament using evidence in a case that is yet to go to fucking trial to try and score political points? Does he not realise that this undermines the legal system? Does he not realise what impact this may have on seeing that these men get a fair trial? The consequences it has for a future prosecution of the pair? Surely he's not actually that fucking brain-dead.
Then there's Kevin Andrews using a dixer to score cheap points by effectively trying to accuse Labor of letting in terrorists. What the Hell was that supposed to accomplish you arse-brained cretin? "Oh so these two arrived when Labor was in power" well Man Haron Monis arrived under Howard, what the fuck difference does it make?
Sorry Dilbert, this pack of sociopathic fucking imbeciles are not better than Labor. And hey I'll even agree that Labor aren't particularly good - the entire political class in Australia is pretty rubbish - but nothing Labor did while in power has sunk to the levels of this lot no matter how much the LNP tries to paint the fault for everything and absolutely everything only resting in one place.
Yesterday Tony Abbott stated that in 17 months his Government had only made one mistake, going on to say that they weren't at fault for that anyway because the Senate and Labor were.
Well you know what if the LNP is so impotent that it doesn't have any influence on anything maybe they shouldn't be in charge of anything.
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I don't get the big fuss on detention for refugees.
You can't just let them in, you don't know who they are.
You can't just put them all into society, they might disappear, we don't know who they are.
So what else are you gonna do other than keep them at a facility while you process them? So what if they have kids, its not a free pass. If they are coming from wartorn countries like you say, don't you think the fact that they aren't getting bombed or shot at or kidnapped or on a leaky boat 6 inches from the water that could drown them any night is an improvement?
Cos I do. If this country was like syria and I was desperate enough to get on an old boat and sneak into a country as a refugee I'd be over the moon to be locked up in a facility that I have water and food and a roof over my head and medical supplies. I don't care if its cold porridge 3 times a day and my mattress is so thin I can feel the ground. I'm not getting shot at or beheaded.
You can't just let them in, you don't know who they are.
You can't just put them all into society, they might disappear, we don't know who they are.
So what else are you gonna do other than keep them at a facility while you process them? So what if they have kids, its not a free pass. If they are coming from wartorn countries like you say, don't you think the fact that they aren't getting bombed or shot at or kidnapped or on a leaky boat 6 inches from the water that could drown them any night is an improvement?
Cos I do. If this country was like syria and I was desperate enough to get on an old boat and sneak into a country as a refugee I'd be over the moon to be locked up in a facility that I have water and food and a roof over my head and medical supplies. I don't care if its cold porridge 3 times a day and my mattress is so thin I can feel the ground. I'm not getting shot at or beheaded.
I'm not saying it's an easy situation with an easy solution but dumping them all on some hellish offshore prison camp can't be the best option. I don't think "at least it's better than getting shot or beheaded" is much of a defence for it either.
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Sure it is.
They are running from something, and whatever it is isn't there. I'd be relieved.
They are being fed, clothed and bedded. Sorry it isn't luxury.
Hell homeless and disadvantaged people in this country are breaking the law and getting caught to get thrown in jail for 3 hots and a cot.
They are running from something, and whatever it is isn't there. I'd be relieved.
They are being fed, clothed and bedded. Sorry it isn't luxury.
Hell homeless and disadvantaged people in this country are breaking the law and getting caught to get thrown in jail for 3 hots and a cot.
Well if that's the standard you're prepared to accept then that's your prerogative. Personally I think Australia can offer more than a disease-infested traumatic prison camp on an abandoned iron phosphate mining site on the most inhospitable spot on Nauru. And when the only reason they're there is because attacking each other on refugee arrivals has become a political sport in Australia it's a pretty miserable situation.
No-one's asking for luxury but treating human beings better than farm animals would be good place to set the bar. Also as Jaekus pointed out, taxpayers fork out $609,000 per refugee kept this way. Surely you'd expect the standard to be a little higher for the money being spent.
No-one's asking for luxury but treating human beings better than farm animals would be good place to set the bar. Also as Jaekus pointed out, taxpayers fork out $609,000 per refugee kept this way. Surely you'd expect the standard to be a little higher for the money being spent.
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You're right.
Spend less. Much less.
But I spose when you need to buy warships and personnel and build facilities and staff them, and pay the country housing them as well. It isn't cheap.
But like I said we don't know who they are, we don't know why they are here. You can't just put them out in the community because its cheaper.
Spend less. Much less.
But I spose when you need to buy warships and personnel and build facilities and staff them, and pay the country housing them as well. It isn't cheap.
But like I said we don't know who they are, we don't know why they are here. You can't just put them out in the community because its cheaper.
See you don't need to do this. It's a hugely flawed and expensive process. Community detention is so much more efficient and effective but no politician in Labor or the Coalition will argue it because it carries with it the incorrect perception of "opening up the gates" or "providing an incentive".Adams_BJ wrote:
But I spose when you need to buy warships and personnel and build facilities and staff them, and pay the country housing them as well. It isn't cheap.
There are better ways of doing things that don't see people face abuse and trauma, that aren't ridiculously expensive, and that aren't illegal under the Human Rights Convention and other international treaties Australia is party to. I'm not saying "community detention for all" either, security screening is perfectly reasonable. What I am saying is that throwing children in offshore prison camps as a first course of action is a fucking disgrace.
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Why is it a disgrace? Their parents are going there. They are getting fed and clothed and have a roof over their heads. No one is out to kill them. They aren't assigned to manual labour.Ty wrote:
See you don't need to do this. It's a hugely flawed and expensive process. Community detention is so much more efficient and effective but no politician in Labor or the Coalition will argue it because it carries with it the incorrect perception of "opening up the gates" or "providing an incentive".Adams_BJ wrote:
But I spose when you need to buy warships and personnel and build facilities and staff them, and pay the country housing them as well. It isn't cheap.
There are better ways of doing things that don't see people face abuse and trauma, that aren't ridiculously expensive, and that aren't illegal under the Human Rights Convention and other international treaties Australia is party to. I'm not saying "community detention for all" either, security screening is perfectly reasonable. What I am saying is that throwing children in offshore prison camps as a first course of action is a fucking disgrace.
You've got the warships and the crew there anyway, may as well use them unless you plan to start selling them off. And what does it matter which country they are processed in? They are already in another country to start with coming here, so either way it's not home.
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Most refugees who don't make it into Australia deal with shittier camps as well.Ty wrote:
I'm not saying it's an easy situation with an easy solution but dumping them all on some hellish offshore prison camp can't be the best option. I don't think "at least it's better than getting shot or beheaded" is much of a defence for it either.
Other Eurpoean countries do essentially the same thing yet Spain, Italy and Greece get very little flack on the international media.
It's not looking good for a lot of refugees coming in, since the last few bad eggs like the Sydney Siege duder and the Kid trying to join ISIS were refugees.