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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

They don't wnat to ship jobs overseas, but when the govt. is going to assrape you on earnings in this country it makes perfect sense to do so.

Total bullshit.

If you want them to actually fly safe legal and on time,, you need experienced mechanics. You are not going to get that looking for cheap labor around the liquor store.

Pretty sure there are 100 chinese who will do your job just as well for 1/10th of your wage.

bullshit, really? so you think companies love to be assraped in taxes and welcome the opportunity for the govt. to do so? Well we will just agree to disagree.


Gee, and yet, they're not.........Ever wonder ehy?

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

They don't wnat to ship jobs overseas, but when the govt. is going to assrape you on earnings in this country it makes perfect sense to do so.

Total bullshit.

Pretty sure there are 100 chinese who will do your job just as well for 1/10th of your wage.

bullshit, really? so you think companies love to be assraped in taxes and welcome the opportunity for the govt. to do so? Well we will just agree to disagree.


Gee, and yet, they're not.........Ever wonder ehy?

nice tangent you made there.

Lets break away for the usual Spark. If you have an argument to make, how about doing so.

Spark wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spark wrote:

nice tangent you made there.

Lets break away for the usual Spark. If you have an argument to make, how about doing so.

how about you answer his point about taxes not being the main driving factor first, instead of going on a speil about taxation.

Already did, money and profits is the driving factor, if a company is FORCED to give up their profits to govt. they are FORCED to find the savings elsewhere, IE, job cuts, and cheaper labor. It is really a simple connection to make.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

bullshit, really? so you think companies love to be assraped in taxes and welcome the opportunity for the govt. to do so? Well we will just agree to disagree.

If they are based in the US they pay taxes on their profits wherever the jobs are, they take the view they'd rather ship the jobs abroad and make more money than keep the jobs in America.

Gee, and yet, they're not.........Ever wonder ehy?

Because there are protectionist policies in place around your job, whichever company you work for cannot just fire you and bring Chinese into the country to take your place, unlike manufacturing where the jobs can be shipped abroad and products imported from China with no tariffs or barriers.

Nope, they pay heavy taxes on repatriated profits, as long as that money stays out of the country no taxes are levied. So of course they are not bringing it home.

Wow we are "protected", my fellow 10,000 mechanics who have lost their jobs with the airlines will be comforted to know that. You do know airplanes fly right? They can fly to maintenance facilities all over the world and in fact they do. Just like the one of the airlines I worked for brings in maintenance from all over the world, it is farmed out as well. But no, they are not flying in Chinese to take my job. By the way, it ain;t MY JOB, it is the company's job. The sooner you understand this, the better off you will be in figuring out it is up to you to take care of you and not the company.

The thing is, with all of the mechanics including myself, that I know, not a single one of them has been FORCED to draw unemployment or welfare. They have all transitioned to other airlines, other maintenance jobs, or has changed professions.

Last edited by lowing (2009-11-17 20:04:58)

So what is corporate taxes in the US?

I generally agree with lowing in his points about you buy the product with the best quality/price ratio when you can not being dependent on what country produced the product or service ... I do however try to buy as local as possible within that quality/price ratio ...

Varegg wrote:

So what is corporate taxes in the US?

I generally agree with lowing in his points about you buy the product with the best quality/price ratio when you can not being dependent on what country produced the product or service ... I do however try to buy as local as possible within that quality/price ratio ...

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publicatio … 22917.html


highest in the world. and no one can figure out why US companies are bailing. It is the same as the rich, you fuck them hard enough they are gunna leave and take their money with them. Ask CA and MD.

The Rich are going to stay rich.... when they get squeezed they either move to a different state in the US with lower taxes and better conditions or they go overseas...
The Rich are the doers in the world.... they are the ones that have ideas and go out in the world and do them .. and with their efforts comes success.... and there also is a need for people to help them in their goals and quests.... and those people work hard also and get paid... and so on
Tax them stiffly and they don't buy new equipment and they don't expand or hire new workers...

  Does anyone think that the US is one of the most desirable places to live in the world is because of our free cheese for poor people?
No... it's because you can come here and decide your own destiny... You can be an Iranian immigrant that comes here and works your ass off and 10 years later you have a huge carpet and flooring business like a friend of mine does... 

You can be a Vietnamese guy who comes here hardly able to speak english and work your heart out and own the 7 eleven or dry cleaner you started working at 3 years before

nobody owes anyone anything...  Would you rather give someone 20 bucks for nothing or offer them a job and pay them week after week for their efforts... 

We have a huge entitlement issue in the US... somewhere along the way some people started believing that because they live and breathe they are owed something...  I am for helping the truly needy and i pray nobody suffers... but let me decide how i give my money and time.... Don't have the govt tell us we have to...     Obama and his stimulus was a joke... just payback for votes in 08...   If he is smart he will do the right things to help small businesses grow and kickstart the economy....?   If he doesn't than he is finished... The American people are moderate to right people and our votes will stop him...         had a few beers so i hope this makes sense...lol

Last edited by Catbox (2009-11-18 02:09:10)

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Hey catbox where are your American citizens raising through the classes? The rich aren't the doers the rich are the people who have had money for generations and can back people's ideas and make a killing off of it.

The government has to increase taxes for the rich because they are not getting there taxable revenue from moderate to low income people anymore because if they did anyone in the U.S. who makes under 70k a year (per household) wouldn't be living comfortable.

Lowing some products you know can't be purchased u.s. based, because we don't make anything and you're an idiot. Yes I'd much rather buy U.S. but I know if I went into an only buying U.S. products that I'd be naked, hungry and walking. NOTHING is made here, it's all done overseas so the only option I have is to support local business by eating at diners instead of McDonald's getting my clothing tailored and so on.. So don't say I'm a Lie because I'm not in any way stated I don't use foreign products. I prefer to support my fellow Americans and fuck the other countries, a good portion of our taxable income is going to them and I think we need to fix our own country before fixing others.

The Main problem with our system is that majority of people have to borrow money at one time or an other to get necessities, which puts you into the pocket of the rich. We should just form city states again and have the richest in your neighborhood sit at the top and make the decisions.

If you mow your parents yard for an allowance from 10-14 and make 20 dollars a week doing that, then your dad turns around and hires an other kid to mow your lawn for 10 dollars a week, don't you think you'd be pissed?

You are claiming the rich are rich for any other reason other than they earned it. They didn't build companies, invest money, take risks, start small and struggle as they started the claim upward. No my friend, if you think this of rich people, then you are the idiot.

How many poor people have you asked for a job from? Take their money, and you tak away their ability to grow their companies, reinvest their earnings into their companies. ou think the money of the rich should be taken from them and given to you.

This is wealth envy. Go earn your own.

and yes, you are liar. Unless of course I just happen to be talking to the only person in the world NOT looking for a deal.

lowing wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Hey catbox where are your American citizens raising through the classes? The rich aren't the doers the rich are the people who have had money for generations and can back people's ideas and make a killing off of it.

The government has to increase taxes for the rich because they are not getting there taxable revenue from moderate to low income people anymore because if they did anyone in the U.S. who makes under 70k a year (per household) wouldn't be living comfortable.

Lowing some products you know can't be purchased u.s. based, because we don't make anything and you're an idiot. Yes I'd much rather buy U.S. but I know if I went into an only buying U.S. products that I'd be naked, hungry and walking. NOTHING is made here, it's all done overseas so the only option I have is to support local business by eating at diners instead of McDonald's getting my clothing tailored and so on.. So don't say I'm a Lie because I'm not in any way stated I don't use foreign products. I prefer to support my fellow Americans and fuck the other countries, a good portion of our taxable income is going to them and I think we need to fix our own country before fixing others.

The Main problem with our system is that majority of people have to borrow money at one time or an other to get necessities, which puts you into the pocket of the rich. We should just form city states again and have the richest in your neighborhood sit at the top and make the decisions.

If you mow your parents yard for an allowance from 10-14 and make 20 dollars a week doing that, then your dad turns around and hires an other kid to mow your lawn for 10 dollars a week, don't you think you'd be pissed?

You are claiming the rich are rich for any other reason other than they earned it. They didn't build companies, invest money, take risks, start small and struggle as they started the claim upward. No my friend, if you think this of rich people, then you are the idiot.

How many poor people have you asked for a job from? Take their money, and you tak away their ability to grow their companies, reinvest their earnings into their companies. ou think the money of the rich should be taken from them and given to you.

This is wealth envy. Go earn your own.

and yes, you are liar. Unless of course I just happen to be talking to the only person in the world NOT looking for a deal.

Hmmm I'm self employeed and do loans for people, so yeah when the middle to poor class get hurt economically it takes away from what I can make. Yeah I'm the only one not looking for a deal, if people didn't work this way those airlines would be out of business.

Lowing your a hard worker right? Put your time in and do all the right things to grow your assest? Are you "RICH", if you lose your job and can't find an other one for 6 months to a year or you going to be ok? Who are these imaginary rich people that you know, that haven't come from a well off family. Also are you working a 40 hour work week?

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2009-11-18 11:12:11)

DrunkFace wrote:

So lower Corporate tax and increase income taxes on the mega rich...
Rich people don't give people jobs, lots work for the same businesses you do as an employee, so if they want to 'pack up and leave' they also be leaving their 6 or 7 figure salary.

Really, so you honestly think a person making 750,000 a year is the same as you or I? You think he is just lucky to be working and has no optionf available to him? If someone making 6 and 7 figures packs up and leaves, rest assured they probably have a plan and are not headed to the welfare line.

I think that you're probably in the same class that you're parents where in. Life's opportunities weren't easily provided for you and it's not your fault. You didn't come from a trust fund so you don't have the same opportunities that someone who came from a higher class did. That you might have looked into becoming self employed at a time and that the none profit risks(lawyers fees, start up costs) didn't equal the reward and you didn't have mommy and daddy's trust fund or their friends to back your idea.

That's what you don't understand is that money is attracted to money. If you have money to start, it's a whole hell of a lot easier to make money.. If I had financial backing from my parents/their friends I'd be alot richer then I am now and it's a hard road to the top that is very expensive. I think 1 out of ever 50 small business make it and  you can't say it's for lack of trying, ask ATG it's really hard to climb to the top but the drop off is quick.  A few foreclosed home sank some of the biggest American financial institutions, one lawsuit can sink a tiny business. Think about that.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I think that you're probably in the same class that you're parents where in. Life's opportunities weren't easily provided for you and it's not your fault. You didn't come from a trust fund so you don't have the same opportunities that someone who came from a higher class did. That you might have looked into becoming self employed at a time and that the none profit risks(lawyers fees, start up costs) didn't equal the reward and you didn't have mommy and daddy's trust fund or their friends to back your idea.

That's what you don't understand is that money is attracted to money. If you have money to start, it's a whole hell of a lot easier to make money.. If I had financial backing from my parents/their friends I'd be alot richer then I am now and it's a hard road to the top that is very expensive. I think 1 out of ever 50 small business make it and  you can't say it's for lack of trying, ask ATG it's really hard to climb to the top but the drop off is quick.  A few foreclosed home sank some of the biggest American financial institutions, one lawsuit can sink a tiny business. Think about that.

You really really need to give a little more credit to small business owners who have built their companies by taking out second mortgages signature loans etc.....They take risks to build business. Give them the credit that credit is due. I tried and failed.

lowing wrote:

You really really need to give a little more credit to small business owners who have built their companies by taking out second mortgages signature loans etc.....They take risks to build business. Give them the credit that credit is due. I tried and failed.

Theres a colossal difference between small business and big business.
If a small business fails the owners are ruined, if its a big business the banks lose some money - the business owner gets to try again.