Gang rape raises questions about bystanders' role

2009-10-28 22:38:52

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5872

For more than two hours on a dark Saturday night, as many as 20 people watched or took part as a 15-year-old California girl was allegedly gang raped and beaten outside a high school homecoming dance, authorities said.

As hundreds of students gathered in the school gym, outside in a dimly lit alley where the victim was allegedly raped, police say witnesses took photos. Others laughed.

"As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated," Lt. Mark Gagan of the Richmond Police Department told CNN.

The witnesses failed to report the crime to law enforcement, Gagan said. The victim remained hospitalized in stable condition. Police arrested five suspects and more arrests were expected.

So why didn't anyone come forward?

Criminology and psychology experts say there could be a variety of reasons why the crime wasn't reported. Several pointed to a problematic social phenomenon known as the bystander effect. It's a theory that has played out in lynchings, college riots and white-collar crimes.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/28/cal … index.html

So should people be charged for not reporting a crime and looking the other way? Also 20 people watching a gang rape is crazy. Who would seriously think they could get away with a gang rape which around 20 people saw?

2009-10-28 22:55:51

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13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6784

Macbeth wrote:
Who would seriously think they could get away with a gang rape which around 20 people saw?

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seriously, with mob rules in place i think it'd be easier with 20 than 1, or two.

2009-10-28 22:57:45

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6440|what

Wow, poor girl.

I can't believe nobody stepped in to help her.

2009-10-28 23:08:27

#4

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6784

AussieReaper wrote:
Wow, poor girl.

I can't believe nobody stepped in to help her.

it was Richmond. i can believe it. they have a crime rate 2nd to Washington, D.C.

2009-10-28 23:32:45

#5

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6652|California

Wow, if that happen where I live, people would be all over those gang bangers asses, sure we grind and dirty dance on our dates, but that is a no in our book!

2009-10-28 23:45:41

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5988|College Park, MD

burnzz wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Wow, poor girl.

I can't believe nobody stepped in to help her.
it was Richmond. i can believe it. they have a crime rate 2nd to Washington, D.C.

It's kinda funny. There are two major Richmonds... one in Cali, one in Virginia. West and East coast. Both are shitty.

Anyway, while it's sick that nobody reported it, I can't totally blame them. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the rapists is in a gang like MS13. I'd be very cautious about reporting them in to the cops without knowing that they'll be locked up forever.

If rapists and other violent offenders were locked up for good with no possibility of parole, THEN people might be inclined to report in crimes like these. Unfortunately our justice system has become so infected by the cancers of the earth that people who deal marijuana serve as much time as a person who rapes somebody. When in a TRUE justice system, the drug dealer would be reformed and let out a better person while the rapist would be locked up for his entire life or executed.

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2009-10-29 03:38:03

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Lai: Member; +186|6438

Macbeth wrote:
(...) witnesses took photos. Others laughed.
So should people be charged for not reporting a crime and looking the other way?

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2009-10-29 04:36:35

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Benzin: Member; +576|6285

There is no excuse for "they might be in a gang and come get me!". Everyone has cell phones nowadays (damned near) in the USA, especially teenagers. Also if there were cops there at the school (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/29 … google_cnn), someone could have gotten them. You can stay anonymous in your tips and everything, there is no need to reveal yourself.

In California, apparently it's against the law to witness a crime to a child and not report it. Only problem is, the law applies only to children 14 years old and younger and this girl that got raped is 15.

My opinion? Drag em outside and shoot the whole lot. Rapists and witnesses alike. No excuse not to have reported it, even if you felt "well someone else will report it, why should I?". Bull shit. You see something like that going down, you report that shit no matter what.

2009-10-29 05:05:26

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6698|'Murka

There was a movie about something similar, based on actual events. They were able to convict some of the bystanders...as well they should.

I can't imagine the anger the family of that girl must feel. Not just toward the animals who perpetrated the crime, but toward those who enabled it by doing nothing. Waste of skin, all of them.

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2009-10-29 05:33:11

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Benzin: Member; +576|6285

FEOS wrote:
There was a movie about something similar, based on actual events. They were able to convict some of the bystanders...as well they should.

I can't imagine the anger the family of that girl must feel. Not just toward the animals who perpetrated the crime, but toward those who enabled it by doing nothing. Waste of skin, all of them.

Agreed.

I am personally admiring the self-control of the parents right now, because I haven't heard any stories of them killing any of these bastards. If I was in a similar position, I don't guarantee that I would be quite so restrained.

2009-10-29 05:41:33

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Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6994|67.222.138.85

The Bystander Effect is not "police say witnesses took photos. Others laughed. 'As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated,'"

2009-10-29 05:49:32

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Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6952|NT, like Mick Dundee

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I'd consider the witnesses in this case to be as guilty as the people who committed the act.

As an aside, you can be charged with criminal offences here in the NT if you fail to render aid or offer aid to a wounded person. Not the same thing I know, but similar.

Being a bystander can have you arrested, sued or charged by a magistrate here.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-10-29 06:55:52

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Benzin: Member; +576|6285

I don't think anyone here is really debating this one, folks. Kill the rapists. Kill the witnesses. They're all useless members of society.

2009-10-29 10:51:25

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5988|College Park, MD

CapnNismo wrote:
I don't think anyone here is really debating this one, folks. Kill the rapists. Kill the witnesses. They're all useless members of society.

Sadly they don't live in a well-run state like Texas or Virginia so they'll probably serve 10 years and then be let free to rape more people.

2009-10-29 11:25:44

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krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7067|Great Brown North

10 YEARS? that's being a bit optimistic isn't it?

2009-10-29 11:33:51

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5988|College Park, MD

krazed wrote:
10 YEARS? that's being a bit optimistic isn't it?

not really

anything less than life without parole is spitting in the face of lady justice. I'd go as far as saying it's a rape of lady justice.

2009-10-29 12:10:54

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Lai: Member; +186|6438

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
CapnNismo wrote:
I don't think anyone here is really debating this one, folks. Kill the rapists. Kill the witnesses. They're all useless members of society.
Sadly they don't live in a well-run state like Texas or Virginia so they'll probably serve 10 years and then be let free to rape more people.

In Holland gang rapists have to follow a 1-day "offender course", then they get sent back to the same school as the girl and the principal will tell her the guys have "served their time" and it is up to her to find another school if she can't deal with it

2009-10-29 12:24:35

#18

Benzin: Member; +576|6285

Lai wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
CapnNismo wrote:
I don't think anyone here is really debating this one, folks. Kill the rapists. Kill the witnesses. They're all useless members of society.
Sadly they don't live in a well-run state like Texas or Virginia so they'll probably serve 10 years and then be let free to rape more people.
In Holland gang rapists have to follow a 1-day "offender course", then they get sent back to the same school as the girl and the principal will tell her the guys have "served their time" and it is up to her to find another school if she can't deal with it

No jail time?

2009-10-29 12:25:34

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5988|College Park, MD

Lai wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
CapnNismo wrote:
I don't think anyone here is really debating this one, folks. Kill the rapists. Kill the witnesses. They're all useless members of society.
Sadly they don't live in a well-run state like Texas or Virginia so they'll probably serve 10 years and then be let free to rape more people.
In Holland gang rapists have to follow a 1-day "offender course", then they get sent back to the same school as the girl and the principal will tell her the guys have "served their time" and it is up to her to find another school if she can't deal with it

Wow, it sounds like you're living in the cave times.

2009-10-29 16:31:17

#20

Lai: Member; +186|6438

CapnNismo wrote:
Lai wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Sadly they don't live in a well-run state like Texas or Virginia so they'll probably serve 10 years and then be let free to rape more people.
In Holland gang rapists have to follow a 1-day "offender course", then they get sent back to the same school as the girl and the principal will tell her the guys have "served their time" and it is up to her to find another school if she can't deal with it
No jail time?

It is called socialism and the rapists were black, so jailtime would be considered racist.

2009-10-29 16:32:22

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5872

Lai wrote:
CapnNismo wrote:
Lai wrote:

In Holland gang rapists have to follow a 1-day "offender course", then they get sent back to the same school as the girl and the principal will tell her the guys have "served their time" and it is up to her to find another school if she can't deal with it
No jail time?
It is called socialism and the rapists were black, so jailtime would be considered racist.

lol just lol

2009-10-29 16:35:33

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krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7067|Great Brown North

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
krazed wrote:
10 YEARS? that's being a bit optimistic isn't it?
not really

anything less than life without parole is spitting in the face of lady justice. I'd go as far as saying it's a rape of lady justice.

i meant that i doubt they'll get 10 years... probably just a year or two with some probation and shit thrown in

2009-10-29 18:00:49

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Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7003

Lai wrote:
CapnNismo wrote:
Lai wrote:

In Holland gang rapists have to follow a 1-day "offender course", then they get sent back to the same school as the girl and the principal will tell her the guys have "served their time" and it is up to her to find another school if she can't deal with it
No jail time?
It is called socialism and the rapists were black, so jailtime would be considered racist.

I really find it bullshit to believe that... Even in Holland they the fucking International Criminal Court there.

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2009-10-29 18:48:36

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S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6733|Chicago, IL

People don't jump in because there's too many cases of good Samaritans getting in legal trouble for trying to help. People have been sent to jail for roughing up muggers a little too hard.

As far as i'm concerned, if you try to mug/rob/rape someone, they should be legally allowed to kill you, but this is not always the case, laws vary quite a bit state to state.

2009-10-29 19:48:38

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Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5988|College Park, MD

S.Lythberg wrote:
People don't jump in because there's too many cases of good Samaritans getting in legal trouble for trying to help. People have been sent to jail for roughing up muggers a little too hard.

As far as i'm concerned, if you try to mug/rob/rape someone, they should be legally allowed to kill you, but this is not always the case, laws vary quite a bit state to state.

This. If you step in to save a person from a mugging/robbery/rape and you happen to kill the criminal, oh fucking well. Maybe they should have thought about that BEFORE they decided to commit a crime.

Rape and murder ought to be tried at the federal level, that way the death penalty is always on the table.

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