you're the one who said he hopes he wins the lawsuit.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Companies should be free to do whatever they want in the interests of profit.lowing wrote:
Look Marconious, the issue is not the pin. The issue is how far we have come in the PC arena that such bullshit rules and policies are even in place, all for the sake of sparing someones feelings who might take offense to national pride, God or "Joe". This is the argument I am making.
Douchebag employees shouldn't be able to dictate to employers what they will and won't wear at work.
If the comapny feels some nutball wearing a pin is going to affect customers business or other employees and thus the bottom line they can tell the employee to get bent.
If they don't like it they are free to go and find another job.
Isn't that how it works?
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Yes, I want the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction form the PC far left. These rules are in place to spare the company from a law suit by someone who might be offended. I want the company and the nation to stop bowing in fear to this bullshit, then I want the courts to fine the plantiffs of any frivolous law suit that is filed and lost.Spark wrote:
you're the one who said he hopes he wins the lawsuit.
THis is the iisue here, the policies companies are forced to inact to protect themselves. Not the violation of company policy.
This guy lost his job and did nothing to harm anyone. He was proud and he read the bible on his own time. Now he is forced to become a ward of of the state instead of taking care of himself. Mission accomplished for the libs
while i see where lowing is coming from with the lengths places go to avoid lawsuits from whiners
he shouldn't win the suit because, as far as i can see, he was fired for breaking the dress code
and he should have been told not to wear it when he first started
he shouldn't win the suit because, as far as i can see, he was fired for breaking the dress code
and he should have been told not to wear it when he first started
alsoFishel said Keezer was offered a company-approved pin that said, "United We Stand," but he declined.
When he refused, Keezer was fired.
historical fabric, since 1954 thanks to people sticking it in thereSkorupa points out the button was a direct quote from the very American Pledge of Allegiance. "These mottos and sayings that involve God, that's part of our country and historical fabric. In God we trust is on our money."
Nah, still a bad argument from Lowing. A company has the right to dress their employees in any way that suits their business. If employees start doing things that drive away business, policies are enforced to stop that from happening. It's zero-tolerance. While one button might not scare away customers to you (though I would steer way clear of anyone who wears anything mentioning god), then lines have to be drawn as to what is or is not acceptable. Since the country is so diverse now, it's much easier to enforce zero-tolerance than to attempt to accommodate everyone's beliefs, especially as we now have more and more stupid people who get offended way too easily (which tend to be right-wingers more often than not).
Employees are hired to represent a business, and a dress code makes sure that the business is the only thing being represented by the company, and it has nothing to do with PC initiatives. With our diversity, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a company striving to remain neutral so as to be able to accept everyone.
Employees are hired to represent a business, and a dress code makes sure that the business is the only thing being represented by the company, and it has nothing to do with PC initiatives. With our diversity, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a company striving to remain neutral so as to be able to accept everyone.
He's not showing national pride, he's espousing his ridiculous religious beliefs in direct contravention of company dress policy, so bye bye.lowing wrote:
I would love to say ths is the last time I shop at Home Depot, but to be honest the nearest Lowes is over 20 more miles away. To fire a person for showing national pride is a sad testament to what our country has become. He was fired for fear of insulting or offending another person and it is ridiculous. I hope he wins this.
in short: if you want to sport your political views openly go join a political party. companies should remain politically neutral.
and for fuck's sake follow the dress code.
and for fuck's sake follow the dress code.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
lowing, like I have stated, i work there. If you were allowed to put any thing you wanted on your aprons, and there wasnt a dress code, People would walk around looking like they should work at TGIF, or shenanigans. Now, how many contractors want to go shop at some place that cannot keep a professional attitude?
Oh, and just for good measure, someone call this for lowing:
and when I post "QQ" in reply to lowing it gets deleted by flaming because this is "debate and serious talk." ahhahaha.Marconius wrote:
Oh, and just for good measure, someone call this for lowing:
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Its true I do find it stupid (in this case)... but still you can't start making heaps of different rules with different exceptions etclowing wrote:
The argument is still the same, how fucked up is it that you can not express any positive or non-offending message without getting fired? Unless of course that message is offensive. and in THIS CASE it is about the message of national pride and its possible offense.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
But this has nothing to do with national pride. Only the fact that he broke the rules and was fired. The pin could have said "life is great, everybody smile" and it would still be against the rules.lowing wrote:
Then my argument stands, he was fired for fear of offending someone who is against national pride. a sad testament to what our nation has become.
and no it does not go toward religion. The Pledge of Allegiance is about national pride not a religion.
Its about expressing something which the company doesn't want expressed on company time or by a customer facing employee.lowing wrote:
The argument is still the same, how fucked up is it that you can not express any positive or non-offending message without getting fired? Unless of course that message is offensive. and in THIS CASE it is about the message of national pride and its possible offense.
And its not 'national pride', just more christian nutballery.
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I bet if the guy had an... I love Islam pin on...nobody would say shit...(it would be politically incorrect)
As harmless as an... I love God... or I love Islam pin is...
Companies have become hyper sensitive to any offense to anyone...
Including squirrels that live in Arkansas...
So they impose these ridiculous rules. We all know that some guy wearing a pin isn't going to make us join a religion or change our beliefs... Let's concentrate on the important shit in life...
As harmless as an... I love God... or I love Islam pin is...
Companies have become hyper sensitive to any offense to anyone...
Including squirrels that live in Arkansas...
So they impose these ridiculous rules. We all know that some guy wearing a pin isn't going to make us join a religion or change our beliefs... Let's concentrate on the important shit in life...
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Love is the answer
I like squirrels.
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lol. Why on earth would someone not think that wearing an Islam pin is any more or less retarded or politically correct than wearing a Christianity pin? All organised religion is bollocks. Period.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
I bet if the guy had an... I love Islam pin on...nobody would say shit...(it would be politically incorrect)
again, this isnt about what the pin is about, it was about the guy refusing to follow company policy. Fair and simple, big box retail stores have to keep their appearance standardized across all stores, especially since it is an international company. China, Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. stores have to look the same to represent the company. hence the dress code. Why is everyone blowing this out of proportion?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
I bet if the guy had an... I love Islam pin on...nobody would say shit...(it would be politically incorrect)
As harmless as an... I love God... or I love Islam pin is...
Companies have become hyper sensitive to any offense to anyone...
Including squirrels that live in Arkansas...
So they impose these ridiculous rules. We all know that some guy wearing a pin isn't going to make us join a religion or change our beliefs... Let's concentrate on the important shit in life...
because lowing and catbox have nothing better to do
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Spark wrote:
for fuck's sake follow the dress code.
I see, so terminating a man. Removing his ability to provide food shelter and clothing for his family for wearing a non-offensive button because a company is too scare of offending someone IS NOT "blowing this out of proportion". Pointing it out is. Got it.destruktion_6143 wrote:
again, this isnt about what the pin is about, it was about the guy refusing to follow company policy. Fair and simple, big box retail stores have to keep their appearance standardized across all stores, especially since it is an international company. China, Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. stores have to look the same to represent the company. hence the dress code. Why is everyone blowing this out of proportion?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
I bet if the guy had an... I love Islam pin on...nobody would say shit...(it would be politically incorrect)
As harmless as an... I love God... or I love Islam pin is...
Companies have become hyper sensitive to any offense to anyone...
Including squirrels that live in Arkansas...
So they impose these ridiculous rules. We all know that some guy wearing a pin isn't going to make us join a religion or change our beliefs... Let's concentrate on the important shit in life...
Marconious,
Your typical belief that "zero- tolerance", is logical is nothing more than a practice instituted that removes the responsibility of common sense from your decision making. Well done.
Also Marconious, and the majority of the rest of you, love the insults, nothing proves more, a lack of an actual argument, than your continued clinging to personal attacks.
lol.. are you smoking?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
I bet if the guy had an... I love Islam pin on...nobody would say shit...(it would be politically incorrect)
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...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Once again (ad nauseum), the content of the button has absolutely Nothing to do with the case. He broke a rule and refused to comply. It's his own fault that he cannot provide amenities for his family. The button being offensive or non-offensive has nothing to do with it.lowing wrote:
I see, so terminating a man. Removing his ability to provide food shelter and clothing for his family for wearing a non-offensive button because a company is too scare of offending someone IS NOT "blowing this out of proportion". Pointing it out is. Got it.
Your point is still wrong, so I decided to respond to inanity with hilarity.
are you thick or something? IT IS NOT about offending, it is about keeping a consistent image across all stores. Hence the uniform. Companies have dress codes to keep a consistent image across the multiple nations they are located. They gave him the option of removing the non HD pin, and wearing a HD "united we stand" pin. He was fired for not complying with regulation.lowing wrote:
I see, so terminating a man. Removing his ability to provide food shelter and clothing for his family for wearing a non-offensive button because a company is too scare of offending someone IS NOT "blowing this out of proportion". Pointing it out is. Got it.destruktion_6143 wrote:
again, this isnt about what the pin is about, it was about the guy refusing to follow company policy. Fair and simple, big box retail stores have to keep their appearance standardized across all stores, especially since it is an international company. China, Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. stores have to look the same to represent the company. hence the dress code. Why is everyone blowing this out of proportion?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
I bet if the guy had an... I love Islam pin on...nobody would say shit...(it would be politically incorrect)
As harmless as an... I love God... or I love Islam pin is...
Companies have become hyper sensitive to any offense to anyone...
Including squirrels that live in Arkansas...
So they impose these ridiculous rules. We all know that some guy wearing a pin isn't going to make us join a religion or change our beliefs... Let's concentrate on the important shit in life...
You are all for punishing a person, innocent or not, for not complying with a police officer. Same theory here. HD asked him to replace pin with a HD one. Police officer asks a black Harvard professor for his ID. Both refused, both were punished.