Red Forman
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Marconius wrote:

As easy as it is for most of us to see Fox News as an infotainment channel, the truth is way too many people use it as their only source of news and information and believe absolutely everything that's brought up by them.  It's rather disconcerting that the entire channel can spread so much fear and ignorance/misinformation, plus actively celebrate bigots and hatemongers on all of their shows, not to mention the nearly constant lying/twisting of the truth in any major story in order to plant their agenda amongst their viewers.  Willingly misguiding the public, especially generally irrational people who lack basic critical thinking skills, just seems dangerous.  They definitely know how to rile people up, and will just keep on doing so, pushing it as far as they can to drive up the reactionary sentiment in the populace.  They really need to start scaling back their rhetoric...

Red Forman wrote:

Fox has the biggest mix of conservs and libs/dems than any other station when it comes to guests and such.  someone did a study or something.  google if you dont believe it.
oh...and msnbc?  oberman?  maddow?  some people only watch that.  way to see both sides.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

..and the same could be said for the alternatives. Still, not the point. I'm glad to see the other networks (conservative and liberal alike) siding with Fox on this one.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Marconius wrote:

As easy as it is for most of us to see Fox News as an infotainment channel, the truth is way too many people use it as their only source of news and information and believe absolutely everything that's brought up by them.  It's rather disconcerting that the entire channel can spread so much fear and ignorance/misinformation, plus actively celebrate bigots and hatemongers on all of their shows, not to mention the nearly constant lying/twisting of the truth in any major story in order to plant their agenda amongst their viewers.  Willingly misguiding the public, especially generally irrational people who lack basic critical thinking skills, just seems dangerous.  They definitely know how to rile people up, and will just keep on doing so, pushing it as far as they can to drive up the reactionary sentiment in the populace.  They really need to start scaling back their rhetoric...
Pot... meet kettle.

I caught a documentary on HBO or Showtime (I forget which) a few months back that was directed by none other than Alexandra Pelosi. She apparently went and filmed a bunch of rednecks at a NASCAR event and made them all look as ridiculous as possible with every question she asked. Now, I understand that this is the typical liberal view of the right wing, especially in northern California... I guess it's revenge for William F Buckley making them look stupid for so many decades.

As bad as those rednecks looked, I've encountered many more liberals who don't really understand the words that come out of their mouth. It's just regurgitated second hand crap that they read in a book or heard in a class and they have no idea what they are based on. They just know that it makes them appear 'intelligent' to mouth the words.

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KEN-JENNINGS
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^^^It works both ways.  Both "sides" are foaming at the mouth to 'prove' that the other side is full of mumbling morons that it creates quite a spectacle.  Meanwhile rational, logical people watch the idiotic circle jerk and cry themselves to sleep.  Just judging by the content on this website, it's more vitriolic to call someone a liberal or neo-con than to actually logically take apart their arguments.  Just use a few buzz words (neo-con, bureacrat, freedom, patriotism, liberal, socialism, regulation, free-market, profiteering, globalization, etc) and pepper your argument with run-of-the-mill MSNBC/FOX/talk radio talking points and you've got the average D&ST thread.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6784

Jesus wept.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

^^^It works both ways.  Both "sides" are foaming at the mouth to 'prove' that the other side is full of mumbling morons that it creates quite a spectacle.  Meanwhile rational, logical people watch the idiotic circle jerk and cry themselves to sleep.  Just judging by the content on this website, it's more vitriolic to call someone a liberal or neo-con than to actually logically take apart their arguments.  Just use a few buzz words (neo-con, bureacrat, freedom, patriotism, liberal, socialism, regulation, free-market, profiteering, globalization, etc) and pepper your argument with run-of-the-mill MSNBC/FOX/talk radio talking points and you've got the average D&ST thread.
Both sides use the buzzwords though. Personally, I prefer to look at the source for all of todays arguments. On many accounts we're still fighting the Federalist/Anti-Federalist battle. The Federalists have supplemented their ideas with Socialism but at the core you can still hear the words of Alexander Hamilton much more than you can hear the voice of Marx. It's two hundred years in the future and I bet if those politicians were transported to our time they would recognize most of the arguments being made on either side today.

Anyway, most of the crap people argue over today boils down to what a very small number of thinkers wrote more than a hundred years ago. Many of the arguments and ideas have been twisted and misshapen over time but their is still that nugget of the original about which everything else is formed. I've actually had people tell me that a 'public option' is not Socialism because someone else told them that it wasn't and used a different word. As if changing the name or the buzzword changes the central idea... reminds me of... War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.
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-Frederick Bastiat
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6698|'Murka

mikkel wrote:

The_Sniper_NM wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

But anyway I do have to laugh at this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … lanced.png
When you are talking about the opinion pieces on Fox and their protestor organizing activities
Are you fucking ignorant?

http://www.modernconservative.com/metab … _msnbc.jpg
http://shinn.me/dogs.png

I'm not saying that your graph isn't based on good data, but without a source it's about as credible as the one I'm posting.
The graph used before was sourced. From a Pew survey.
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mikkel
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FEOS wrote:

mikkel wrote:

The_Sniper_NM wrote:


Are you fucking ignorant?

http://www.modernconservative.com/metab … _msnbc.jpg
http://shinn.me/dogs.png

I'm not saying that your graph isn't based on good data, but without a source it's about as credible as the one I'm posting.
The graph used before was sourced. From a Pew survey.
My bad. I missed your post on the previous page.
Marinejuana
local
+415|6872|Seattle
In summary, the communist capitalists want to shut down the capitalist communists' news outlet and both camps are a bunch of tools (plus a small community of really rich scam artists). /thread
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6816|Global Command
thank God.

NEW YORK (AP) - The Obama administration allowed a Fox News Channel reporter to interview Treasury Department "pay czar" Kenneth Feinberg after other network news executives said they wouldn't use a pool arrangement to speak to him unless Fox was included.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

thank God.

NEW YORK (AP) - The Obama administration allowed a Fox News Channel reporter to interview Treasury Department "pay czar" Kenneth Feinberg after other network news executives said they wouldn't use a pool arrangement to speak to him unless Fox was included.
That's sort of what I was talking about the other day. Left and Right are saying this is crap.
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