Macbeth
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The first time I went to prison, it was to an idyllic place with lush woodland, bright-colored houses and the waters of the Oslo fjord sparkling in the summer sun.

It was July 2006 and I was visiting Bastoey, an open prison 45 miles south of the Norwegian capital. It is home to about 115 detainees, including murderers, rapists and other felons, who enjoy activities not usually associated with prisons.

In summer, they can improve their backhand on the tennis court, ride a horse in the forest and hit the beach for a swim. In winter, they can go cross-country skiing or participate in the prison's ski-jumping competition.

Inmates work between 8:15 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. The island is a farm, so there are cattle to tend, timber to cut and organic crops to grow. Inmates also work at a sawmill, using axes, knives and saws. Another job is to restore wooden houses dotted around the island. Based on their time in Bastoey, many men will obtain professional qualifications.

After work, inmates retreat to their homes: comfortable wooden houses shared between four to six inmates.

Bastoey is based on the idea that traditional, repressive prisons do not work.

"The biggest mistake that our societies have made is to believe that you must punish hard to change criminals," explained Oeyvind Alnaes, Bastoey's then-prison governor. "This is wrong. The big closed prisons are criminal schools. If you treat people badly, they will behave badly. Anyone can be a citizen if we treat them well, respect them, and give them challenges and demands."
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/euro … pen-prison

Well if I'm ever in the mood for some rape or murder I guess Norway would be an alright place to commit it /sarcasm

A lot of people will defend this by saying "You have to rehabilitate" but this raises the question; why are you ever going to release murderers and rapist?
Jay
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6 hour work days? Fresh air? Sign me up.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
jsnipy
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Europe knows best
Dilbert_X
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And yet the murder rate in Norway is 1/8th that of the USA with their awesome death penalty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … icide_rate

Apparently Europe does know best.
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Wreckognize
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Some people can be rehabilitated, some cannot.  The traditional prison system hasn't done much to deter crime or prevent repeat offenses, but giving prisoners access to tennis courts, horseback riding, and beaches is a little too far IMO.
Spark
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whatever works.
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destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
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M.O.A.B
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Reminds me of that prison in this country which looks like a designer office building. Like, wtf.
Doctor Strangelove
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Reminds me of that prison in this country which looks like a designer office building. Like, wtf.
Club-Fed. Super-minimum security for white collar criminals. You think they would put 60 year old bankers in with 20 year old drug-muscle?
m3thod
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jsnipy wrote:

Europe knows best
this with sarcasm tags removed thank you very much.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Reminds me of that prison in this country which looks like a designer office building. Like, wtf.
Club-Fed. Super-minimum security for white collar criminals. You think they would put 60 year old bankers in with 20 year old drug-muscle?
UK, not US, forget its name though.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Reminds me of that prison in this country which looks like a designer office building. Like, wtf.
Club-Fed. Super-minimum security for white collar criminals. You think they would put 60 year old bankers in with 20 year old drug-muscle?
UK, not US, forget its name though.
Leoben Justice Centre, Steiermark, Austria.

https://www.xinjo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/prison.jpg
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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m3thod wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:


Club-Fed. Super-minimum security for white collar criminals. You think they would put 60 year old bankers in with 20 year old drug-muscle?
UK, not US, forget its name though.
Leoben Justice Centre, Steiermark, Austria.

http://www.xinjo.com/wp-content/uploads … prison.jpg
Hmm, I could have sworn there was one in the UK. Ah well.
Hurricane2k9
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m3thod wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:


Club-Fed. Super-minimum security for white collar criminals. You think they would put 60 year old bankers in with 20 year old drug-muscle?
UK, not US, forget its name though.
Leoben Justice Centre, Steiermark, Austria.

http://www.xinjo.com/wp-content/uploads … prison.jpg
that's hot, I'd commit some pyramid schemes to live there
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Well there is one key statistic missing from the article - what is the recidivism rate in Norway compared to the US?  They focus on rehabilitation and reintegration, we in the US focus on punishment and deterrence.

Here's some food for thought
Recidivism rates in Norway
Recidivism statistics

From 1874 to the end of the century the Ministry of Justice investigated recidivism among persons who served more than six months in jail. A most comprehensive study of recidivism was performed among people released from prison between 1923 and 1926. Their recidivism was studied over a period of 10 years after their release from prison. A similar investigation conducted among those released between 1933 and 1936 was limited to those released after serving time for their first conviction and to a three-year period after their release. In addition to investigations among ex-convicts, from 1903 to 1950 the Ministry of Justice regularly compiled overviews of the rate of recidivism among parolees given conditional sentences.

In 1954 the preparation of recidivism statistics was assigned to Statistics Norway, which has since conducted three investigations about recidivism among those convicted, those subject to fines and those for whom prosecution was suspended. Current statistics have also been established on the recidivism rate among those facing criminal charges.

The investigations among those convicted, those subject to fines and those for whom prosecution was suspended included people found guilty of crimes in 1951, 1957 and 1962. Their recidivism situation (new convictions, ticket fines or suspensions of prosecution for crimes) was registered in all the investigations registered within a five-year period of freedom, broken down by the type of original sanction.

The recidivism statistics for those charged with crimes are based on information in the police statistics regarding those charged with crimes. Recidivism includes new charges for crimes during the subsequent three-year period. The calculations on the rate of recidivism make no adjustment for preventive measures or for the accused previous criminal record. The results must therefore be viewed as simple indicators of the recidivism situation. However, the recidivism statistics among those charged with crimes are our only source of comparative figures on recidivism trends over a number of years and up to the present.

In the 32 years covered by recidivism statistics for those charged of crimes, it has become increasingly common for the persons charged to commit new crimes. While 23 per cent of those charged with crimes in 1957 incurred new charges for crimes during the subsequent three-year period, the comparable figure in 1989 was 44 per cent. The increase in the rate of recidivism was very pronounced in the years from 1957 to 1969. In the 1980s, the recidivism rate fluctuated between 40 and 45 per cent for all those charged with crimes.

Up to 1971 it was the youngest offenders, persons under the age of 14 who had been charged with crimes, who had the highest rate of recidivism. Since then, the percentage of repeaters has been greatest in the 14-20 age group. The recidivism rate among persons charged with crimes who belong to the 21-39 age groups closed in on the rate for 14-20-year olds in the 1980s, catching up with the latter age group in 1988 and 1989.

1 In association with the Alcohol Statistics prepared by Statistics Norway, separate statistics on drunkenness offenses were introduced in 1913, and statistics on breaches of alcohol legislation were introduced in the 1920s. In 1930 statistics began to be kept on cases involving motor vehicles. These three separate statistical categories were discontinued in 1978.
Recidivism rates in the US:
Two studies come closest to providing "national" recidivism rates for the United States. One tracked 108,580 State prisoners released from prison in 11 States in 1983. The other tracked 272,111 prisoners released from prison in 15 States in 1994. The prisoners tracked in these studies represent two-thirds of all the prisoners released in the United States for that year.

Rearrest within 3 years

    * 67.5% of prisoners released in 1994 were rearrested within 3 years, an increase over the 62.5% found for those released in 1983

    * The rearrest rate for property offenders, drug offenders, and public-order offenders increased significantly from 1983 to 1994. During that time, the rearrest rate increased:

          - from 68.1% to 73.8% for property offenders
          - from 50.4% to 66.7% for drug offenders
          - from 54.6% to 62.2% for public-order offenders

    * The rearrest rate for violent offenders remained relatively stable (59.6% in 1983 compared to 61.7% in 1994).
So maybe they are doing something right.  These statistics seem to suggest so.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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If you're gonna release a prisoner back into society he should be released able to fit in with society. Not so that he can commit his crime again.

But then you also have to be harsher on the worst crimes. First degree murders, rapists and such shouldn't be released at all. Very few people will ever advocate the "rehabilitation" and "kind treatment" for these sorts of people, meaning they won't get rehabilitated (if they even can be), meaning they'll be released just as if not more fucked up than when they went in.
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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We're the worst with prison, we have laws that don't even make real sense.. They strip away the hope and the dreams of those locked up for the illusion of justice.

Too many lawyers all trying to make a law in this country.. We have no common sense and Our Court justices are desperately seeking the past while destroying everything we have been taught.
Wreckognize
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Our violently retarded drug laws aren't helping much.

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